Tuesday, August 08, 2006

What We Must Do Part III: Hammer the Bastards

OPEN FORUM. Due to increased requests, blogdai will turn off the moderation feature and let everyone just go at it. We will do this from time to time and see how it evolves. We will, I'm afraid, have to reinstate the word verification function, lest we get innundated with blog spam. -=BD

Nepal is messed-up; or so the world keeps telling us. We do (did) get shoddy treatment in the Western media by all manner of pundits who have never been to Nepal, never seen or talked to a Nepali and never bothered to study Nepal's vast and complex history. Still, many of these Westerners feel they have some proprietary duty to comment on events and conflicts there as though they were perfect, serene experts. With an absolute straight face, these political conjurers insist on applying Western history lessons and Western political and military theories to Nepal issues. It doesn't work. Add to that the scores of Kathmandu-based journalists and shout-fest Nepali blog sites-- all spouting bias, rage and innacuracy--that further confuse perceptions of Nepal, and we have a media culture that is driving an already teetering Nepal further towards chaos.

Well, NO MORE. Let's use our substantial readership here at blogdai to HAMMER THESE BASTARDS. Bad, innacurate reporting has actually forced perceptions and events in Nepal; the tail has been "wagging the dog" over the last few months and it's time to put a stop to it.

Time to fire-up the BMW: Blogdai's Media Watchdogs.

With Bavarian thoroughness and efficiency, let's go after all those who misrepresent, misreport and claim to be experts on Nepal issues. These folks do real damage on the political scene in Nepal and it's time their brand of journalism and reporting came under scrutiny.

How to do it:

1. Scan Googlenews. Type in "Nepal" or any other related topic and see what comes up. Usually, Googlenews is a clearing house for the most basic and insipid of Nepal reporting that makes its way through the wires to the computers of fat Westerners. Find the news and commentary that just doesn't make sense to you and reply to it. If you don't want to reply, post it here and our readership will decide what to do. The BBC runs a heavily-monitored thread on Nepal issues, as does Scoop.com. Check out Wikipedia for their current wave of Nepal "facts."

2. Scan Nepal news sources. Nepalmonitor.com is the best cache site. Nepalnews.com, thehimalayantimes.com, kantipuronline.com and others. Pay Kunda Dixit a visit over at The Nepali times site as well. Again, look for bias and comment on it. Doesn't feel right? Post it here.

3. Follow the idiots. Look for political pundits who just can't shut up about Nepal. (OK, I'm included in that group). We've had a good history of calling fools on the carpet here at blogdai, so we're more than happy to repeat the process with someone you find on your own. Far right-wing and revolutionary sites are good hunting grounds for these types. It sounds trite, sure, but these opinions are the germ of more widespread thinking. Catch them early and often.

4. Get on the sites. I disagree often with Dinesh Wagle's "United We Blog" yet his commentary is vital and necessary to the Nepal discussion in general. But, don't give him a free pass! Waves of ridiculous and often pro-Maoist thinking goes unchecked on UWB, post after post. Get in there and make your opinions known. Also, try to get an intelligent word in at samudaya.org and the insipid and frightening democracyfornepal. Find some new Nepal chats and report them here. All momentum (even blogdai's) must be checked with an opposing viewpoint from time to time. Remember, we win blog arguments because we research, prove the facts, and don't shout. If you find yourself getting slaughtered by screaming little boys, post it here and we'll go over to the thread and help you out.

These are the trenches. This is where democracy is frommented. Point/counterpoint discussions are vital. Right now we see a lot of agenda-driven one-sided commentary from Western commenters. We also see a lot of angry people looking for the catch-phrase that will help them form the next mob to hit the streets in Kathmandu. Our job is to balance and inform the discussion. Unchecked reporting and commentary is an invitation for factional abuse.

Also, vocal support of commentary that actually presents a well-argued opinion--pro or con--is valued and worthy of acknowledgement. We're big fans of Preety Koirala and Thomas Marks here at blogdai. Certainly, there are others out there who "get it right." We love to hear about any new writers that actually have something to say.

What do we say? Say what you feel, but the most important thing is to let those who post crap about Nepal understand that their views will no longer go unchecked. Some talking point I like to make when arguing are:

1. There is no "people's movement" or public mandate without elections. Girija and his mob haven't held one in 8 years so how can they possibly claim a mandate?

2. Don't fool yourselves. The King and the army are still intact and still buddy-buddy. All he had to do was pull the trigger and this whole story would have been different.

3. Don't rely on the babblings of any American diplomat. The U.S. relies on India for its Nepal moves.

4. Look at Nepal's recent history. Does anything even give us a remote clue that the Maoists will lay down there arms and join the mainstream? The Maoists won't compromise, period.

5. Nepal needs to wipe the slate clean of these old-guard politicians and start the process anew with fresh ideas and people who are committed to public service over personal enrichment.

6. A Nepali's traditional dislike for the excesses and cruelty of past royal regimes must not be an excuse for mob action. We live in modern times and the Panchayat and Rana eras of dominance will never be repeated. Let it go and move forward. Leave the King alone and move forward.

Just talking points, but you get the idea. Ok, this is an open forum so let's see what you can come up with. Let's get this BMW rolling. Happy hunting!



At 3:11 PM, August 08, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Again, comment moderation is off.

At 7:10 PM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Bhudai Pundit said...

Bravo Blogai for this. It is a pity a few people ruin it for everyone else.
Firstly, let me just say that your comment eariler today on UWB was excellant and to the point.

The only thing that keeps UWB going is that the website has a very easy format to write up a comment and just discuss a thought/idea. I hardly ever read the actual article since it lacks any analysis. I have told Wagle countless times my feelings about some of the stuff that gets wirtten up there. However, I don't think he really cares what people have to say and plus it's his personal blog and he is not obligated to write in any particular way.

Anyway on to more serious issues. When you say the Maoists will not compromise I don't think it's as simple as that. I think the Baburam and Prachanda have been enticed with all this attention and power. Frankly I don't believe they wish to go back to the jungles. However, they are being very uncompromising about this decommisiioning issue because maily because of internal politics - they can't loose face in front of their cadres. Also if you push the Maoist too hard now there is this possibility that a hardline faction will splinter off and go back to the jungles. But of course, an armed Maoist is not acceptable as part of an elected government.
It's a tough situation no doubt.

At 7:20 PM, August 08, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey blogdai,

good points.

Can you hear it? I can, the ringing sound of laughter blowing over the walls of Narayanhity palace!!! It looks like the SPAs great game of pretend is starting to fall appart.

We, the SPA, are "supreme" the king is "Powerless". The Maoist are "giveing up the gun" Peace is here!!!

The sad thing is the public bought all the lies right along with the press.

I still find it amazing that some people are stupid enuff to think the the king could go from being "all powerfull" to "powerless" just because some politicians, who can't even hold an election,said so in a proclamation that they don't even have the power to inforce!!!

It is a joke, a very sad one!

At 2:46 AM, August 09, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The blogs like UWB, blog.com.np and that Parmendnra's demrepnepal (someone in Sajha.com was branding him as Sharmendra ("sharm"= hindi word)) are a complete disgust to Nepal and humanity.

All they are, are a bunch of craps funded well by SPAM. Let me make it very very clear. It is SPAM who paid money to media and not the other way round. Even AP and Reuters have biased writers. And of course the Indian mediagoons in Nepal are biased.And I can give proof for each one of these.

At 4:43 AM, August 09, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...


You are saying that based upon the history Maoists will not change. Royals, on the other hand, will change inspite of their excesses, atrocities which they demonstrated until 3 months ago.

You do not have problem Royals using army (i.e. violence) and actually you would love to see it while it is wrong for the Maoists.

We see the similar patterns in history from both Maoists (13 yrs) and the Royals (230 yrs) and you ended with two different conclusions. Isn't this a bias?

For me, Maoists and Royals both are the same snake with two different heads. The snake is greed for wealth and power and willingness to achieve these through violence. We should wipe both of these head with one swipe. I do not like any more violence because we have suffered too much and so CA election is the best bet in wiping them out.

At 7:41 AM, August 09, 2006, Anonymous prism said...

Agreed with Anonymous. Blogdai starts with lofty ideals of correcting misrepresentations and bias in the media, yet he falls victim to the same in his "talking-point".

For example, read his point # 2:

2. Don't fool yourselves. The King and the army are still intact and still buddy-buddy. All he had to do was pull the trigger and this whole story would have been different.

The fact that King and the army are still buddy-buddy, if true, is troublesome, not something to rejoice over. If the King did have "pulled the trigger", I agree the story would be different -- he probably would be dragged out of Narayanhiti and hanged in Tundikhel. Or, he probably would have had to abdicate by fleeing on the nose of a Puma as Moriarty put it.

The point is, you can spin anyway you want. There is no "right" spin vs. "wrong" spin. Blogdai can't spin and at the same time tell us he is correcting the bias in the media.

I would much prefer if Blogdai remained anti-Maoists (as we much need that perspective) than become pro-Monarch (we're already long-sated by 230 years of monarchy lickers). But surely, no one is perfect.

At 8:40 AM, August 09, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Geezus Priste!

These donkey kongs speak with their asses and not mouth.

For Geezus's sake, forget about Monarchy which is the most reverred thing. I am absolutely against SPA (even more than the terrorists). This SPA for it's hunger for power joined hands with Maoists responsible for deaths of a zillion people. Can the above two posters can explain this phenomenon first? Bastards, if it was not for RNA your SPA ping pongs would be more dead by now.

I detest posers and posters like this. They should be banned not only from posting but from life too.

Clean Nepal off SPAM.

At 8:55 AM, August 09, 2006, Anonymous Bhudai Pundit said...

we'll all do you a favor an ignore your moronic comment.
I now see the point of moderation. After reading your comment, I had a very good mind to say some nasty things but I don't want to ruin this moderation off system.
But oh man ... please step outside of your cave and look around.

At 10:25 AM, August 09, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not talking about whether SPA, Royals, or Maoists are good or bad.

What bothers me is Blogdai claiming to take a high road decrying biases in other blogs but showing biases himself in the very next sentence. It is true that other blogs have biases, but you are no different. If you want to lead, then lead by example.

At 11:25 AM, August 09, 2006, Anonymous Bhudai Pundit said...

I just read a very good article on Nepal on the bbc webpage. It wasn't bad - really. I recommend you all check it out.

At 12:02 PM, August 09, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

What a breath of fresh air! Thank you all for the comments.

About blogdai's position: I am vehemently anti-maoist. I also believe there is a place in Nepal culture for a monarch--perhaps not this one. I am pro civil order and anti chaos.

So, ask yourself, what was the source of all the chaos? Why did SPAM refuse 3 overtures by the King for negotiations. They took the lowest ground possible. What would it have hurt to negotiate with the King? They could have walked out as unhappy campers from the negotiations but at least they would have shown a willingness to act in the spirit of democratic compromise.

I agree with those who say, forget about the monarchy now. You've won you're little "revolution" and the King stepped back. That should be enough. This constant badgering of royal appointees and seizure of royal property rips apart the fabric of Nepali culture at exactly the time we should be building unity.

Stop getting even for things that happened years ago. The mark of a country that is ready to progress into the 21st century is its ability to MOVE FORWARD.


At 12:49 PM, August 09, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Well, as if on cue, those goofs at STRATFOR are predicting the breakdown of the peacetalks. No Kidding..

The also say maoists will get what they want through an economic blockade. Funny, haven't they been trying this for the past year?

These are the same think-tank pundits that predicted Chinese listening ships off the indian ocean and a geo-strategic tremor all due to the Nepal issue. Bunk.

Stratfor is an Austin Texas based political crap analysis group a-la the International Crisis Group. They breathlessly state information that is behind the curve as if it is their proprietary discovery. Like ICG, they make wild predictions and call it factual information. Unfortunately, these guys cut through the wire services and make headline news. Here's the article, it is breathtakingly insipid and inane:


Surprisingly the article is fairly accurate until Stratfor drops their bombshell: "(Maoists) have a genuine interest in legitimizing their movement by integrating their cadres into Nepal's armed forces."

What? This is a logistical, cultural and strategic impossibility. Would a Maoist listen to a RNA commander or vice-versa? Then another...

"Thus, it is extremely unlikely that the Maoists will once again turn to violence in Nepal, even if their demands regarding the king are not met. Rather, they will likely turn to economic warfare."

Tremendously out of touch since the maoists have yet to turn AWAY from violence.

This is what I'm talking about. Take a relatively benign article and use good logic to make wild and unsubstantiated claim.

We should start by googling "stratfor nepal" and see what comes up. Next, we go to the sites that feature this article and allow comments and we let them have it.


At 3:19 PM, August 09, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Prism said
" The fact that King and the army are still buddy-buddy, if true, is troublesome "

Its true, you only needed to look at the RNA Generals attending the King's birthday party to know it.

And when the chief of the RNA went to visit soldiers in Pokara just a few days ago he ended his speach by calling out "long live the King ". the whole room( wall to wall soldiers)jumped up to chear.

At 5:47 AM, August 10, 2006, Anonymous Bhudai Pundit said...

don't wet your pants just yet. The NA cheering for the King is just traditional.
But you are right the NA and the King still have this unhealthy realationship. And no the main evidence is not the generals attending the King's birthday or party.
Either way if we want democratization of the NA and the NA coperation during the peace proces then the King's role is vital. And hence I tend to agree with Girija Babu when he said the King should be given a role.

At 6:46 AM, August 10, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes democratization of the NA is a must, but not along the same lines as the "democratizations" of the police force after '46 saal ko revolutions, when all that one required as qualification was a party affiliation.

At 8:28 AM, August 10, 2006, Anonymous Bhudai Pundit said...

True the Nepal police also needs reform. But I don't envision a major dificulty in reforming the police. The police don't have this complex structure and this unhealthy relationship with the palace. Plus the NA is a hot bed/playground for the Rana/Shah aristocracy. Hence reform is going to be a greater challenge.

At 1:19 AM, August 11, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The media appear oblivious to the fact that the MAOISTS are terrorists.

Yes, terrorists.

They also have a political wing that it is showing itself to be more capable than the old farts who purport to run the country.

They are still terrorists. Evil bastards who drill holes into womens heads, rape children and young girls, steal money from both the poor and the rich.

They are terrorists.

Just wish the media and Nepal would wake up to this fact.

At 2:35 AM, August 11, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What then do you propose to do about the Maoists when Nepal and the media awaken?

At 6:30 AM, August 11, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My solution would be the assasination of Prachanda and the systematic elimination of all top level Maoist leaders.

The subsequent detention of Madhev Nepal, Koirala, Deuba and other so called political leaders.

The formation of new political parties led by members of civil society and untainted by the political corruption of yesteryear.

The removal of the Kings clowns and advisors who advised him so poorly. The subsequent reduction of the monarchs powers.

The US, UK and Indian Ambassadors to be forced to watch Nepali hip hop 24/7 for 2 months and then deported without any hand luggage.

A UN resolution on Nepal.

This would basically solve the whole countries problems and give it the platform to become as rich and developed as Uganda within 2 years.

Best wishes,

George H Bush

At 9:38 AM, August 11, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Nepali hip hop is a form of terrorism. You sadist!


At 11:35 AM, August 11, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with Blogdai, I have my own personal list of peoples we should wipe out for a better Nepal. I am working on the intel.

At 1:16 PM, August 11, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

I would only "wipe out" the Maoists as they seem to understand no other method.

To make some sort of list of people to wipe out puts us in the same league as terrorists. Our job is to inform and direct policy, use the power of our numbers and overpower the forces of ignorance and arrogance in Nepal.

This regenerative cycle of intellectual ignorance leaves Nepal in a paralyzed purgatory.


At 9:24 PM, August 11, 2006, Anonymous sarki ko choro said...

Good to see increased traffic to this site. Thanks for keeping it interesting.

I stopped posting to the UWB long ago after finding that the "censor maniac Wagle will censor everything that is against his masters the Maoists. He may have been under threat from them not to encourage anti-maoists postings- who knows!

Deuba said it long ago during the second round of talks with the Baburam and Prachanda-wallahs that "Maoists are terrorists, the talk will fail". I think it is still true.

In any case, Maoists are trying to bite more than they can chew. The only problem is: when they will spit the half chewed it won't be a nice sight.

At 2:35 AM, August 14, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the problem with present Nepali politics is that as soon as you point out the significance of Monarchy in the country, you will be called a monarchist as if you support an active monarch and oppose democracy.

Most of people who supported the king then and now are still believers of democracy.

At 12:46 PM, August 14, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...


Nepali political thinking currently does not allow such a peaceful coexistence.

Single-issue sloganeering and revenge-driven legislation are what passes for democracy these days, I'm afraid.


At 4:54 AM, August 15, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No matter what people say- Monarchy with residual power is a necessity. I careless what these pseudo intellect such as Wagle speak or write. One jaunt to west and they feel they are qualified to speak about liberal democracy, not the least.

In a hurry to usher in change people here have espoused ideals and processes which they do not even understand in depth. Only they see is fear so they demonize in order to justify their haphazard actions as if it is an achievement in itself. So wrong.

They speak about democracy but not practice them in words or kind, they speak of inequality by creating inequality, and they speak of freedom but more freedom to them. The elitist tendency seen is the crux of the problem (goes for SPA and Maoist with gel hair). If they think all is for them (booty from the andolan)and only them then why be surprised if others with more money and power try to "create space" for themselves with any means possible be wrong. As for me "creating space" as per Wagle is valid even it means "counter insurgency."



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