The Big Democracy Smack-Down
Norman Rockwell's famous "Freedom of Speech" (Image and concept forbidden by order of SPAM)The first glimmer, the first hope. A real democratic principle forced its way to the surface of Nepali politics this week--for the first time.
Ironically, it was SPAM, that "Axis of Idiots" who set the wheels of this holy apparition in motion.
Ol' deposed King G. started this thing by simply giving a speech on Democracy Day. It was a heartfelt effort that showed a flawed man in turmoil saying he was "compelled" to take over the government when he did. He tacitly acknowledged his flaws yet eloquently revealed a fairly good sense of democratic philosophy and practice. His speech didn't reveal State secrets, it didn't directly harm anyone, and it DID sound like a plea for political sanity. This was no more than a citizen exercising the most democratic of freedoms: the freedom to criticise one's government--more commonly known as Freedom of Speech.
So, what do our boys at SPAM do? Denounce the whole speech as undemocratic, counterproductive, smelly and everything else they thought applicable. Something had to be done, they all said. We must punish the King for speaking out against us. (My how the boys are starting to sound more like Maoists every day). Let's pass some sort of decision to officially go after the King for this travesty. Let's get him good this time. No one should be allowed to criticise us, said the boys at the pig-trough.
But then it came. A clear and beautiful strike from the sword of Manjushree. Thursday, the Chairman of Nepal's Bar Association (NBA), Bishowkanta Mainali said that there is no legal provision to penalise the King. Basically, all the government can do is condemn the speech and that's that. The King is no longer the head of state and is simply stating his opinion.
Perfect, beautiful. You can't hold a good democratic principle down when there's someone sane ready with the proper interpretation.
But blogdai fears we haven't heard the last from our royally punitive SPAM (or should I say, spaM). Look for them to go around the sound advice of the Nepal Bar and pass some meaningless law or amend their phony interim constitution once again so that anyone speaking ill of the government can be punished. They'll keep fudging their little piece of paper until they've conceived a document that Mussolini himself would be proud to sign.
When will the lazy and the moronic members of the world community come to their senses and realize that spaM continues to reject all things democratic?
-=blogdai
Ironically, it was SPAM, that "Axis of Idiots" who set the wheels of this holy apparition in motion.
Ol' deposed King G. started this thing by simply giving a speech on Democracy Day. It was a heartfelt effort that showed a flawed man in turmoil saying he was "compelled" to take over the government when he did. He tacitly acknowledged his flaws yet eloquently revealed a fairly good sense of democratic philosophy and practice. His speech didn't reveal State secrets, it didn't directly harm anyone, and it DID sound like a plea for political sanity. This was no more than a citizen exercising the most democratic of freedoms: the freedom to criticise one's government--more commonly known as Freedom of Speech.
So, what do our boys at SPAM do? Denounce the whole speech as undemocratic, counterproductive, smelly and everything else they thought applicable. Something had to be done, they all said. We must punish the King for speaking out against us. (My how the boys are starting to sound more like Maoists every day). Let's pass some sort of decision to officially go after the King for this travesty. Let's get him good this time. No one should be allowed to criticise us, said the boys at the pig-trough.
But then it came. A clear and beautiful strike from the sword of Manjushree. Thursday, the Chairman of Nepal's Bar Association (NBA), Bishowkanta Mainali said that there is no legal provision to penalise the King. Basically, all the government can do is condemn the speech and that's that. The King is no longer the head of state and is simply stating his opinion.
Perfect, beautiful. You can't hold a good democratic principle down when there's someone sane ready with the proper interpretation.
But blogdai fears we haven't heard the last from our royally punitive SPAM (or should I say, spaM). Look for them to go around the sound advice of the Nepal Bar and pass some meaningless law or amend their phony interim constitution once again so that anyone speaking ill of the government can be punished. They'll keep fudging their little piece of paper until they've conceived a document that Mussolini himself would be proud to sign.
When will the lazy and the moronic members of the world community come to their senses and realize that spaM continues to reject all things democratic?
-=blogdai
posted by blogdai @ 2/23/2007 08:07:00 PM
114 comments
114 Comments:
Blogdai, irrespective of the content of that speech I don't think it was a good move on G's part. I don't know why but G is just not politically astute. Maybe its his advisors who seem to really screw things up for him.
Why did he have to give SPAM more ammunition? Now SPAM are diverting attention from their incompetancy and failures to the issue of taking action against the King. People in Nepal are getting more and more fed up with SPAM. At this time the King should have kept a low profile and say nothing controversial.
Again King G doesn't seem to know to play the game.
Bhudai Pundit
Vladimir suggests a crash course in literary theory for all SPAMmers.
Lit Theory 101
Lesson 1: Irony
And, aligned with that, a course in ethics:
Ethics 101
Lesson 1: Hypocricy
G. has never been politically astute, but that is far from this particular issue.
Ammunition? If we are afraid of exercising our right of free speech for fear of retaliation from a bunch of thugs, then the ammunition you say we give is unnecessary. They've already won the battle.
"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
---Noam Chomsky
-=blogdaisky
Astute? Perhaps not, but hear ye! If there is any place where blatant sword wielding gets legitimized and naked fleecing gets rewarded, it is thy ‘republic’. Hence no amount of ‘astuteness’ necessary for sophisticated political strategy. Lacking such merit makes G no less a political observer or player than any other Nepali politicos.
Throw thee rights out the window for a moment. We all know reason and rationality has no place in Nepali political debate. ‘My might can crush thy right’ seems to be all that is required to attain political legitimacy. Perhaps when I am finished building my own ordnance shall I throw my hat into the ring as well. Until then, few paras on blogs will have to do.
What came out of king’s speech is what Nepalis need to learn if they want to preserve the principals that they think they are fighting for. Gs speech is not only a standard and correct portrayal of socio-political observance and reflection; it is also an act of pre-emption against groups and forces who are continually exploiting people’s sentiment for their own benefit.
We can see what has become of Nepal government. Any bunch of thugs and unemployed youths can call a strike. Any professional, social, ethnic and religious groups can raise arms against any other groups that do not necessarily buy into their agenda. Any regional groups can provide fabricated history to claim what is not their’s. There is no respect for law and order as security forces are continually - emotionally blackmailed, marginalized and demonized by political parties, civil society and media. Thus it is clear that SPAM - together with Nepali civil society, have been incapable of providing safety and security to its citizens who entrusted these buffoons with their political future just about a year ago.
In view of that, Gs speech comes at very opportune moment. At a time when Nepal itself is being torn apart by political ideologies, regionalism, ethnic conflict and xenophobia, Gs steady and consistent approach to keeping ONE NEPAL - by all means necessary, where parties and civil society function UNDER the rule of law, should not only come as a breath of fresh air to any peace loving Nepali but be espoused as the ONLY available means to a peaceful, secure and free Nepal.
-free
Sniff! Breathe that fresh air.
Sane political discourse and democratic thought: thy name is
"-free"
-=BD
I agree with the content of free's post. No doubt the SPAM or as Blogdai put it more aptly spaM are worthless pices of crap that is destroying Nepal.
Right now Prachanda is feeling the heat. The Maoist really dropped the ball on the Terai issue and now there are reports of clashes between MJF and Maoists cadres. The Maoists have also been disrupting gathering of other political parties and now it is becoming pretty evident that the whole weapons management issue is a sham. That's why Pracahnda is desperatly calling for a republic right now.
The King needs to learn to play the game! Prachanda is diverting attention away from all his problem. He needs to show his cadres that they have achieved something after the April revolution. Given the circumstances, the King should have really kept a low profile and made a non controversial speech where he encouraged all Nepalis to live togeather peacefully etc. Something to that effect. People are getting fed up with the Maoists and the SPA as it is. I don't understand why G gave Prachanda the tools for this new republic drive.
But in any case irrespective of this incident G is just not a good, shrewd statesman. The problem is that he has terrible advisors and he himself isn't politically savy. I don't expect him to be since he wasn't groomed to be a King nor was he educated or given exposure like Birendra but you would still think he would have some brains.
Blogdai and free can sit around and praise the King's speech for its content but its only given the SPAM another avenue to divert attention from their incompetancy.
Bhudai Pundit
Slow ignition of terai and muscle play by the rag-tag Maoist groupies will inflame mother of all secterian violence unprecedented in our history. India can bet its own hell being born in its backyard- corridor of hell will strech from UP to Begal. So much for intrusive political inplay in Nepal. Mothers want to act superpower but does not know abc of how to be-retard Brownsahibs.
spaM- for all their shoutfest and shortsightestness- will burn like a deadwood, which they are. They brought this land all the mayhem and destruction to exercise their petty interest. This nation built on blood of Amar Singh Thapa and Balbhadra Kuwar and likes shall seek vengence on people like Shit-owla and gang without show of mercy, mark my word.
Who in the gods name spaM think they are- are we that dumb where we cannot see what is right is right and wrong is wrong. As they say what goes around comes around- just you wait how these mothers gonna be impaled by the holder of truth and right.
Gotta Read:
Unseen Consequences and Utopia of Federal System
Our political leaders have always been more provocative; their lack of understanding of the real situation, their intellectual incompetence and their lack of farsighted vision has undoubtedly led to the consequence to where the country stands today. Our political leadership should learn to acknowledge that there cannot only be a political solution to the socio-economic problems. Prescribing federal system as a solution to these problems at the cost of national integrity can prove to be a suicidal decision.
By Upendra Sapkota
The federal system now has become a buzz word. Most of the political leaders from seven parties started singing the rhyme of a federal system without even realising the consequences the nation could face. Even to pacify the ongoing Madhesi andolan, the current government was compelled to promise a utopian federal system without any homework and realistic assessment of the country’s geo-political situation. The announcement came just as a political reaction to the mass that had shaken the foundation of the current Loktantrik government. Decentralisation suddenly became an obsolete policy and federal system is taking shape.
Today, we are at a point where every ethnic community is demanding its own territory- a federal state, if not a separate state. How practical is this system for Nepal ? We are not the United States of America where geographical range is vast; we are not India where religious and communal hiccups always play major roles in shaping the fate of political leaders. We are a very small country where literacy is below par, economy is held together by remittances and donor agencies, physical infrastructure is in poor condition and our bureaucracy is outdated. Tomorrow if Nepal follows the federal system, how will it manage its resources, income and trade revenues and issues related to complex caste system and ethnic diversity? I suppose the current political leaders do not have an answer to all these critical issues. A brief assessment is presented below to provide an insight into the impacts of the federal system, if it is going to be imposed without any homework on the country’s geo-political situation.
Influence on Economy
There will be a huge impact particularly on the economic sector and the country’s economy as a whole. As of now, given the access, infrastructure facilities and easy transportation of raw materials from the southern border, most of the industries are aligned along the southern Terai belt. Job opportunities in Terai, regardless of educational profile of the locals, are higher than in the rest of the country. In a federal system, the growth of industries might experience a stumbling block as they might have to pay taxes both to the state and the national government. Since Nepal is just crawling towards the implementation of VAT, introduction of any new system would rather destabilise the whole system of revenue generation. Also the ambiguity of bifurcation of the revenues for both national and state government from the tax payers will remain importunate and cumbersome.
From the national point of view, apart from Terai region, the rest of the country is not that appropriate for industrial and agricultural development. In case of which, for a nationwide equal distribution of resources, the national government will have to take substantial revenues generated from the Terai industries, both from the employees and the employers. This would definitely escalate the regional tensions on a national level. If at all both national and state governments, through some legislative measures, bonded to agree on these issues, the private sector and consumer society will ultimately have to bear the brunt of price hike and inflation.
Also, our bilateral trade and revenue generated through custom points would be the other key area that is going to be affected particularly. The revenue generated from the custom offices, as of now goes to the national treasury. Once the federal system is imposed, it is most likely that the state government will be playing its own role based on the local problems, ignoring the common national concern. Our agro-based products, generated from Terai, are likely to be traded to the neighboring Indian areas, which are geographically more accessible than rest of the hilly areas of our own country. Controlling such trade and transactions from the national level will become almost impossible under the federal system. Under these circumstances not only will the western remote hilly regions be subjected to food problem but the entire nation will have to face the repercussions, from scarcity to severe price hikes.
Water right problem
Another problem Nepal might face would be the water right problem and issues related to water supply and hydropower. Most of our hydropower plants are in the hilly region, which contributes to the total electricity supply to the nation. In a federal system, a state would be an important factor and so will its resources. So to add to the regional tension, there will be big conflicts if a particular state has to do too much to feed another state or the country as a whole. For example we don’t have to go very far; our neighbor India has been facing the same problem related to Kaberi river which originates from Karnataka and flows through Tamil Nadu. These two states have been fighting legal battle for their water rights. Also, some western states of the United States like Washington , Colorado , Wyoming and California have been facing similar problems. Does Nepal have the capacity to tackle such problems? So, what would be the future of our hydropower industry; what will happen to Melamchi, which is already facing so much of pressure from the locals and how would such sectors be managed? I leave these questions to be answered by experts and political leaders of the country.
Caste/Ethnicity problem
The current federal system is purely envisaged based on the caste and ethnicity rather than decentralisation of resources and human capital. Once the federal state is formed, individual identity will dominate over regional tolerance and harmony. In Nepal , where its people speak more than 100 different languages, how will this system establish a regional harmony? This conflict will further escalate the local, regional and national tension.
It is very true that in our human social system, majorities have been dominant and minorities have suffered. Even in the US history, African American communities have always been discriminated. After the World War II, the GI bill was passed by the US congress giving financial opportunity only to the white war veterans. African Americans remained deprived although they fought equally in the World War. Even though they are discriminated and deprived, none of the African Americans have asked for separate state or territory for their sake. So a small country like us, which has a lot more issues to deal with, would be facing tremendous pressure under the caste and ethnicity based federal system.
Chart, -source-Dahal, cbs.gov.np
Also looking at our demography, it has changed significantly over the past years. According to the 2001 census, all the indigenous communities seem to have become minorities, particularly in urban areas. (See Chart, -source-Dahal, cbs.gov.np)Thus economic and other opportunities are in a way being taken away by the people who migrated from India- the Marwari in the business level and Halkhor (a lower caste migrating from India in search of better quality of life), in the labor level. The close connection of these groups with India and their presence in urban areas and the Terai will cause serious conflict in the region. In addition to that, their political and economic approach in the state government will create detrimental impacts on the national interest. Under such circumstances, will we be able to protect our identity, regional territory and nationality? Nepal may remain a sovereign country in the map but, politically and socially it might lose its foothold to the friendly neighbor.
To add insult to these injuries, the current uncontrolled distribution of citizenship has created a situation where these immigrants from the south are more likely to get citizenship. Under the federal system, this issue would become even more vulnerable in an absence of control from national level. It is not an exaggeration to say that if such practices continue to take root, the indigenous population will be in minorities very soon and will disperse into small fragments.
Foreign policy
Another key factor is the foreign policy, particularly with India , in which we have a love and hate relationship. The Nepalese people always presented their weakness in maintaining foreign policy which would benefit the country. Under the federal system, owing to regional interest and representation from the particular region, politicians will not be able to focus the foreign policy which would benefit the nation as a whole. Recently from an interview with Ashok Mehta (an Indian expert of Nepalese relations) on the BBC Nepali service, it looks even more daunting. He clearly stated why India wants to abolish monarchy. According to him, the monarchy did not help India to attain its strategic position, regional and worldwide, neither in the present nor in the past. Looking at the political development over the past two or three years, it is clear that how much our neighbor has to do with our internal politics. What we should not forget is the current government in India , will follow the Nehru Doctrine, which expresses a keen geo-political interest over the entire Himalayan region; Nepal , Bhutan and Sikkim . This fact was explicitly stated by Nehru after his visit to China in 1954. The latter two parts are now virtually under the control of India and Sikkim is already part of India state. Nepal was pretty stable despite the odds imposed by India by virtue of our close ties with China . Today when it is very likely that new political set up will be highly obliged to our southern neighbor, and since there is no common leader who would lead the country to a different level, Nepal presents an even weaker position under the fragmented federal system.
On the other hand, owing to its current growth, India might face serious crisis of energy and water. Nepal and Bhutan can only be a possible source to fill this gap. Under the federal system, India will have a more pronounced role because of geo-ethnic proximity of our southern border, which is the only possible place to tap water from Nepal . Thus, under the federal system Nepal as a country will not be able to take substantial benefits from its resources.
Lastly, all these facts and indicators show that the federal system would create huge disparity over the entire nation. Our political leaders have always been more provocative; their lack of understanding of the real situation, their intellectual incompetence and their lack of farsighted vision has undoubtedly led to the consequence to where the country stands today. Our political leadership should learn to acknowledge that there cannot only be a political solution to the socio-economic problems. Prescribing federal system as a solution to these problems at the cost of national integrity can prove to be a suicidal decision. If at all there is a problem, political leaders, social scientists and development experts should be able to formulate a solution within the realm of national integrity. Otherwise GOD BLESS NEPAL .
(The author is a master’s level student of Urban Planning at BallStateUniversity, Muncie, Indiana, USA and can be reached at usapkota@bsu.edu)
Does any one ever remember the last time we had a government that did more than the following?
1. Blame the king
2. Blame the constitution
3. Blame the Maoists
4. Blame the previous government
5. Blame each other (in government)
Don't you agree these excuses are getting a bit tired now?
Here a few suggested alternatives:
1. I couldn't govern today because the dog ate my report on the Madhesi riots (Sitaula)
2.) I couldn't govern today because I was reading Das Kapital (Bhattari)
3.) I couldn't govern today because i was killing a few people. (The Fierce One)
4.) I couldn't govern today because the traffic in Kathmandu was atrocious. We must do something about that. (Madhev Nepal)
5.) I couldn't govern today because my wife wouldn't let me go out to play. (Deuba)
6.) I couldn't govern today because...uh...I...uh....was too busy stealing a few billion rupees? (Deuba)
7.) I couldn't govern today because they the school bullies wouldn't let me leave my home and threatened to steal my lunch money. (King G)
8.) I couldn't govern today because i couldn't find my black topi and my hair is a mess. You need a good topi to be a statemans in Nepal. (Koirala)
9.) I couldn't govern because i am useless (ALL ABOVE)
At least the excuses have some semblance of honesty...
Drunkenly yours,
Someone.
(The author is a master’s level student at the University of bull siht and can be reached in hell at nepalipolitics@gmail.com)
" we have reduced the king to a level of a normal citizen"--Spam
"King has not right to speak against us"--SPAM
I don't understand why king can not express his mind if he is indeed a citizen or don't citizen have any right to freedom of speech.
I dont think the king should lay low while the spam are conspiring to bring the entire nation down. The best form of defence is to attack.
B (8:58 PM, FebruaryB 25, 2007): "The best form of defence is to attack."
I agree with you. Once we have some kind of organised group to terrorise these terrorists, we will win the battle. And this can be done by the King or someone who is better/shrewder at this game than the SPAM warlords.
SPAMmers are playing the tactics of the Great Chinese Warfare Philosophists. Read their writings and you will understand the game plan of SPAMmers.
I think this country is falling apart, that is if it has done so already. The grand designer is Mr. GPK of course. He gave birth to the terrorism in Nepal, he nurtured terrorism in Nepal and he is going to introduce terrorism in the Nepali parliament. God, pretty soon all Nepalis will be begging india to intervene and save us. The terai issue was not addressed, is not addressed and will not be addressed because these 8 gangs of thugs want anarchy and turmoil to disintegrate this beautiful Nation. And who says democracy is our only hope? Why? I am not saying king should be back but i would want someone who kick everyone's but to put them into their respective place.
nCORRECTIONS
I think this country is falling apart, that is if it has not done so already. The grand designer is Mr. GPK of course. He gave birth to terrorism in Nepal, he nurtured terrorism in Nepal and he is going to introduce terrorism in the Nepali parliament. God, pretty soon all Nepalis will be begging india to intervene and save us. The terai issue was not addressed, is not addressed and will not be addressed because these 8 gangs of thugs want anarchy and turmoil to disintegrate this beautiful Nation. And who says democracy is our only hope? Why? I am not saying king should be back but i would want someone who can kick everyone's butt to put them into their respective place.
I agree with you B. The situation is so bad. The Maoists are just roaming around like a wild bunch of thugs. It is incredibly frustrating to see Prachanda who is effectively a terrorist thug walking around like a legitimate political leader with a chip on his shoulder. Now the Maoists are by far the most powerful political force in Nepal. If they say sit the SPA sits. That's why Blogdai aptly calls it the spaM.
The NA was our only hope, but as one blogger pointed out, the SPA are too suspicious of them since the Feb 1st takeover. Because of that the SPA won't back the NA since they think there are royalists who might get ideas if the SPA starts giving them power.
All because of G dumbass of a move on Feb 1st and his subsequent mismanagement. I don't care what Blogdai thinks/says Feb 1st was a MISTAKE and now Nepal is paying a price for that.
Bhudai Pundit
No. Misguided and ill-conceived.
You're blaming G. again.
If Nepal is paying any price it is the price of a decade of Girija-led governments; since what we have now is essentially what we had before the takeover.
Nepal's problems are spiraling out of control at an accelerated rate because Jana Andolan II briefly got everyone's attention to the point where they thought this new coalition might actually accomplish something. When people realized it was business as usual, the disenchantment spread faster than usual as more people sensed betrayal.
Now we read of groups springing up all over nepal threatening action if they are not recognized. Oh, and now the Muslims are speaking out. Great. No, blame girija for making people pay attention to his power grab just long enough to realize nothing is getting done.
The scary part is that people follow Girija's example and take to the streets. The scarier part is that disparate groups are starting to realize that there is no effective government enforcement anywhere and that they can do what they please.
No one MADE girija align with the Maoists. No one FORCED Girija to ignore just about everyone's plea for dialogue, and no one took to the streets begging for the new PM to be given absolute power under an unnecessary interim constitution. These were all CHOICES made by girija--all of which show nothing more than a megalomaniacal power-grab.
All of this was realized as being possible long before Feb. 1, but no one save the King had the capacity to do anything pre-emptive about it. Feb. 1 was entirely necessary. blogdai just wishes a stronger and smarter person was at the helm other than G.
Stop beating this tired old drum and wake up. The girija takeover has lasted almost as long as the G. takeover and we are in exponentially worse straits as a result.
But perhaps something is afoot. After Spotlight's Madhav Rimpal gave a very public verbal lashing to Ian Martin at an Army Day celebration, we may be witnessing our army finding its political voice. Coup anyone?
-=blogdai
I take it back. I guess I do blame the King.
I blame him for giving back power to these spaM idiots.
-=BD
Blodai 10:59 AM, February 26, 2007, "I blame him for giving back power to these spaM idiots."
Now you are talking my voice. Better late than never.
Giving back the power to SPAM was the worst move. The mob and goon movement was a sham and phony stuff and could have been taken care of by strategic means.
Mr. Pundit,
Please do enlighten me. What do you think would have happened had the king not take over? Would that have solved all problems? I think the king's take over only postponed their (maoists) influence. Do not forget India's role in this too? Just when king showed his leanings towards china and introduced her into saarc, that is when India made a kichadi reciepe of unpopular SPA and demoralized Maoists to illegally attack the king. India will pay the price too. They only concentrated on the king (of couse we know the history of shahs and gandhis) blatantly ignoring the political consequences. I think you would be surprised bhudai that India is infact coming around. If you consider King as the enemy of democracy in Nepal, think again coz, now he may be the only one who can protect it. And i agree with blog dai that we can not blame the King for the situation we are in at all. It is part of a grand design. Grija gave birth to the maoists, he nurtured them and part of the plan is not done yet and so he will continue.
What was the need to get rid of the 1990 constitution? they could have suspended the king thru a political decision and kept the army under the parliament as well. This way could have soley concentrated on the CA elections. People would have accepted that all would be decide by the election. But no, they had to have absolute power and share it among the 8 gangs of thugs. We did not need an interim constitution. And when are they going to trust the army? three generations from now? If the spa does the right thing and people are behind them, they have nothing to worry about. They do not trust the NA because they know they are incapable of working for the aspirations of the people and they will fail at everything they do. Do you think, even if NA and/or the king do not intervene, India will just sit there without doing a thing. If these 8 gangs of thugs can not doing anything about conspiracies of the king and the NA how will they tackle internation conspiracies? Now it is Ian martin, mukherjee and lina sundh running this country.
OOooops, The SPAMmers did it again:
Maoist MP brags about his pistol
To the discomfiture of other lawmakers, a Maoist MP bragged that he was still carrying his pistol during an all party meet being held in the parliament secretariat.
Lokendra Bista, Maoist MP, boasted that he had a pistol in his pocket and claimed it was already registered by the UNMIN. Bista dared others to take action against him.
At the meeting convened by Speaker Subas Nemwang to discuss camp management, Bista made un-parliamentary remarks compelling Nemwang to intervene and ask him to watch his words. "I hope the overfed pigs will not have to be thrashed," Bista said at the meeting.
Bista's words also forced Home Minister Krishna Prasad Sitaula to seek apology from the lawmakers. Later, Maoist spokesperson Krishna Mahara told journalists that Bista used such words by mistake.
Interestingly, it was from the guard of Bista that police had confiscated weapons recently in Singha Durbar. nepalnews.com sd Feb 27 07
"What do you think would have happened had the king not take over? Would that have solved all problems?"
There you go again B - putting words into my mouth! Didn't we discuss this. Did I say it would have solved all the problems? You have one THICK skull.
Okay let's look at the effect of G's takeover: First it stired up repiblican sentiments (anti-monarchy). Before the take over even when G just becaome King there was no real republican sentiment in Nepal. It was the Maoists verses the rest. Quiet rightly the Maoists were the villains. Had you gone around asking people if they wanted a republic the answer would have been 'no.' Although there were complaints about the monarchy Nepalese in general never seriously considered the idea of republic. Ah but with the takeover it all changed.
Blogdai has a very childish approach in his analysis. He seems to think this is like a quiz show contest between Girija and Gyanendra where they are counting who has more points. Look at the broader effect Blogdai. Girija had little support from the public so naturally he joined the Maoists. Yes it was his decesion but he did it. That was the effect! And it happend why? because of G's takeover. The Maoists all of a sudden appreared like freedom fighters and Gyanendra turned into a villian. The whole situtation polorized the country.
Anyway we could go on and on about this. Basically G not taking over wouldn't solve all of Nepal's problem BUT I don't think the Maoists would have this much legitimacy and power. Remember that without G's take over the political leaders wouldn't have gone out of their way to demoralize the RNA (it would still be the RNA). So the Maoists even if they came to power would still be fearful of the RNA. But what's the situation now? The NA is highly demoralized and the chief of the army has to answer to Prachanda!
Bhudai Pundit
So it may not be directly G's fault but HE sure as hell did set things in motion!!
Mr Pundit,
Nepali history does not begin with King G's actions.
Perhaps you were too young to appreciate what happened in 1996 or perhaps you choose to focus your analysis on what you remember or when you first started taking an interest. Hoina?
Regards,
Someone
Mr. Pundit,
there you go again with "at least this" or "at least that". Maybe the possibilities of the maoist coming to power would have been less but that would not have saved the country now would it. With deuba perpetually in power would the other parties have supported deuba? Would not then girija have gone to the maoists to kick deuba out claiming that deuba is a royalist? The point is not whether maoists will come to power the point is our existance. Why do you think it is wrong for the maoists to come to power?
And i dont know if you are aware (since there is only one window you look out of) that it was only with india's assistance that the 12 point agreement was made. How in the world would king have known that a neighboring nation would harbor terrorists and organize a war against our state while the international community applauded this act? After all even UML went into the royal government did not they? This by the way is not about whether nepalis are more republic now then they were before. This is about our existance. Well,i will give you this much that, the media houses are more republic now but as far as people are concerned let the election decide on that if we are ever going to have one. If king's take over was wrong then was it not the democratic government's responsibility to not let that happen? An for the last time, i am not putting words into your mouth. "would that have solved all problems?" was a question and not stated as something you said.
I’ve had it! For the last time can we clean the slate and start the discussion fresh? I have seen blogdai repeatedly attempting to do so in this forum, but alas, disillusioned pseudo-intellectuals never seem to get over the fact that G is absolutely, positively NOT the point of contention anymore. It is NOT about G; it is about those eight-legged monsters called SPAM that have strangled the country and sucked the life-breath out of people. G is not a king anymore, or that he ever was one; neither is he a statesman. A feudal, you say? Far from it. He is simply an uber-capitalist which ALL of you freaking expats aspire to be (or ARE) in foreign lands anyway. Just that he did it much earlier with some help from his ancestors, that's all. There's no need to turn green in envy.
Arguments ALWAYS revert back to, oh, ‘how G made all this mess possible’. What is forgotten in all this is that, if you regress far enough, instead, you can actually find a perfectly good excuse to shove the leaders through the abysmal hole from whence these morons once sprang up from.
Enough of Madhesis, Janjati, Mahila and promiscuously obnoxious sluts of Charitraheen Chelis claiming for their piece Nepal pie and carrying on strikes, along with our usual suspect – the Maoist bandits and SPA crooks. Forget G and forget everything about old Nepal as well. If you really want a NEW Nepal then take a look at my proposal:
This goes somewhat parallel to blogdai’s previous column to make Nepal a tax-haven for the super wealthy international class. I want to take that thought a little further. I say, auction Nepal in the international market. Let the hyper-capitalists who have the will and resources to spend – bid for Nepal and ALL its resources – natural and manmade. Whoever wins the bid shall have geographic/topographic Nepal with all the land, water, air and mineral rights. Inhabitants of Nepal, who were once the independent citizens, shall now be the employees of the Nepal Conglomerate.
-free
Yea great feasible pratical ideas.
Make Nepal a tax heaven? Who the hell is going to come and invest their wealth here? If someone wanted to evade taxes, they could come to Nepal right now and not pay any taxes.
I know it's not about the King anymore. I don't support people who constantly blame the 'King' or 'regressive' forces for every failure. But at the same time you cannot discount history. I believe Nepal needs constitutional or ceremonial monarchy. Don't mistake me for a SPAM chumcha. But I think Gyanendra made a great political, strategic blunder! We don't have to discuss this issue further.
Bhudai Pundit
"or should I say, spaM" -- that was classic.
Bhupu, 9:07 PM, February 27, 2007, "We don't have to discuss this issue further."
Yes, we don't have to discuss this issue with further. But we won't end this issue on your terms.
We didn't start this issue. It was you. Now, face the music and at the same time, like everyone else here says, ACCEPT the fact that HM King was correct in his move to crack down on SPAM. His Feb.1 move was awesome and welcomed by one and all and had it not been for the vicious dirty agenda of SPAM and India he would have crushed the tyranny of SPAM for once and all.
Peace, 1990 and over! All Nepalis want to be back there.
No more division, no more class hatred, pure peace and prosperity and of course NO SPAM!
And yes, we NOW don't need to discuss on this issue anymore.
Anon: I will stop dicsussing this issue and move on but I am not going to accept your ridiculous midguided assertion that Gyanendra's Feb 1st move was wise or of benefit to Nepal's long term interest. No it was excat opposite plus we all (even Blogdai) agree he did a PISS POOR job.
I don't mind discussing this issue further but I see little point dragging this issue on and on while SPAM ruins Nepal. Why don't we therefore agree to disagree and move on?
Bhudai Pundit
back to the 1990 days? of course for your elite ass that would be just dandy - what about the rest of Nepalese people (80% of the population)? There was 'peace' but it was an artificial peace. In your pre 1990 days the majority of the Nepalese people were opressed while you damn takuris, bhuns and chettris had all opportunity. You horded all resources, influential positions, power and commerce. Of course you would like to go back to the pre 1990 days. And there is Blogdai who is not even Nepali cannot understand the plight of the average Nepali people. He probably interacts with the elites in Nepali society and so why would he have any sympathy/empahy for the average middle class Nepali. Hence he wants to King to take over again.
Every country has a struggle. No country is prosperous without struggle and turmiol. Don't expect hundreds of years of fedualistic sturcutal system to change overnight. Have you people considered why various groups are asking for their rights in the first place? No of course not. You just want 'pre 1990 peace' so that you guys can do your elitest acitivities. Get off your high horses and think about the majority of the Nepali people. Yes they are suffering now... but maybe in the long term this is what is needed. May I remind you of the French Revolution?
I agree with Mr. Pundit. We need to move on. He thinks Feb 1 move was wrong and we think it was only natural. We are not going to change our views so we should just let it be and move on.
And anonymous,
No one wants king to take over. We (i assume) all believe in democracy and we alwayss will. We are just weighing different options and discussing here what would actually save Nepal. I don't think even blogdai thinks that there is a better system than democracy. It is just how you define it.
well i have read on this website countless time when commentators repeatedly (Including Blogdai many times) wants a fast "rambo style" solution and so they say the King should take over, kill the moaists and end of nepal's problems.
what a simplistic, unfeasible, unrealistic solution. these must be living in a cave somewhere since they have never looked at history nor have they bothered to think outside of their one dimensional macho mindset.
things are bad in Nepal but all these problems didn't materilize out of thin air. people think the panchayat days were better. better for who? it was all a sham like a pressure cooker waiting to explode. the problem with nepal was after the 1990 boudal we exchanged one bad system for another. but its not the system's fault - its the people who run the system.
Forget democracy; what Nepal needs now is sanity! Go read 'A People's History of the United States' before barking for democracy in this forum. One way to make a U-turn on insanity highway is to reintroduce king as an independent socio-political buffer between a government and the people.
King’s takeover (with NEW cabinet; no Kamal Thapa, no Tulsi Giri, no Surya Bahadur either. Basically no face of previous administration at all) would help solve the following problem of Nepalis:
1.Removing ALL the corrupt leaders - SPA from their respective position. Striping their ‘political license’ to run for ANY public office in the future.
2.Bringing Maoists into the real people’s court and having people/jury decide on their fate. Three choices should be made available – death penalty, exile or labor camp especially designed for bandits and murderers.
3.Dealing with/provinding proper and equal representation of regional, ethnic and religious groups/minorities in the government.
4.Providing a stern check for future leaders who try to fleece Nepal.
5.Focusing development outside of Kathmandu. Instead of economic centralization, prioritizing development in areas that have been severely neglected by SPA in the past.
It is very easy to bring Nepal back from the ruins. All we need to do is rid the current government – SPAM by introducing a fresh and younger generation; bringing monarchy back into cultural and social aspect of Nepali life and introducing a culture that promote a positive and constructive agenda as opposed to divisive and destructive one commonly practiced by SPA crooks and Maoist thugs.
-free
"One way to make a U-turn on insanity highway is to reintroduce king as an independent socio-political buffer between a government and the people."
And just what is that going to do? There is so much ill feeling, suspicion and disrespect for Gyanendra and now the institution of Monarchy that this would be pointless. Now if this was a non controversial bipartisan King like Birendra it would be different. If the KING had a place in Nepali society like the King of Thailand does in his country your argument would make sense. But with the reputation Gyanendra and Paras have achieved for themslves the Institution of monarchy cannot act as a this independent socio-political buffer.
I agree with your ideas. But how to remove the SPAM leaders? And who is going to take their place? They haven't allowed any leaders to develop so who is going to fill that power vacume?
"It is very easy to bring Nepal back from the ruins."
I hope you are right and someone takes it on themslves to make it so.
Bhudai Pundit
I agree with Free. It is upon us to do this as for assumption that King is hated, read the Annapurna Post poll to give you a clear picture. Even when attacked from all angles, from dollar-fed Civil society, SPAM and its sympathizers and Maoist- institutuion of Monarchy still commands over the top respect. No matter how they want to twist the poll or skew the fact.
The SPAM and maoist are nothing but flotsam and jetsom- the days are numbered and they know very well unless they create havoc they existence is nil. By the way someone in Rapti area thought Constitutional Assemble to be a man- just shows Loktratra at play.
nice thread guys. Here's a little scoop or two: blogdai's well-placed sources state the following:
Girija is dead. In fact, he died two days ago. Watch the movement of SPAM in the media for evidence and confirmation.
The RNA is sniffing around and considering a coup. SHould Prachanda attempt to take over after the death announcement, watch the sparks fly.
You heard it here first, more later
-=blogdai
So does this mean the 'final thrust' from the thugs in the offing? Or does it mean that RNA is now FINALLY free to take law and order into its hand? Both I presume...
-free
Are you joking Blodai? If not please do tell us from where you have gained this insight. And why is it being kept from the public?
Bhudai Pundit
It does mean both, free, only not simultaneously. I think the RNA will wait for Prachanda to make his takeover bid before acting. Already "The Fierce Fart" is leapfrogging the protocols of the new interim government by claiming the most powerful government portfolios for himself. He's grabbed up national security. This may be his big play so let's wait and see.
No, Bhudai, blogdai is not kidding. Although as these things go, I've now just heard that Girija's death is "any moment." go figure. Regardless, it seems all the players are positioning themselves for his demise. I'll get the final word today even if I have to go to ol' babu's house myself and see.
-=blogdai
One thing that really pisses me off is when people talk as if Birendra was revered as much as Gyanendra was hated.
These SPA idiots just used Birendra to advance their own causes. The very people who now shamelessly proclaim that monarchy is the cause of all evils of Nepal, did not hesitate to drag the palace into situations where the king had no constitutional role otherwise. And now that Birendra is dead, these SPA idiots are hailing him while trashing Gyanendra, who, as it turns out, is as stupid as SPA. Add the M factor and both Gyanendra and SPA has no chance to hold on to power.
http://lovesnepal.blogspot.com
Oh Blogdai, GPK held meeting with Prachanda about elections dates. He doesn't seem dead to me. What gives?
Bhudai Pundit
GP dead yet?
BhuPu reads but doesn't read completely. Here, "No PM-Prachanda meeting held on Saturday, says Bhattarai" Nepalnews.com
Anyway, Please give us the good news of Makune's death. We can't wait anymore to celebrate.
And just to add to the above point: Please also give the good news of takeover by RNA.
I wouldn't be sad if all our political leaders died. Seriously it is in the best interst of Nepal.
However, I would advise Blogdai and others to be cautious when saying that the NA taking over is good news.
Bhudai Pundit
Oh my god! NA takeover would be the BEST that ever happened to nepal in 17 years.
Some Chettri-ko-putra must have some balls left to do this. Mushy from Pakistan is facing heat from Bush. NA should extend to Musharaff and carry out the style.
-free
last reported girija comment was his "no republic, no way" comment and that was last friday. I'll get over to his place tomorrow it looks like, and get you a photo or two.
You slavering democratic dogs will have to wait a bit longer, ha!
-=blogdetective
free: I just can't figure you out. You write great polemics (at least gramatically) but the content of your polemics are suspect. You are comparing Pakistan (a key strategic ally of the US) with Nepal (a country that has no strategic importance to the world expect maybe India). If the NA ever did decide to do something as foolsih as 'taking over' it would be disasterous for Nepal. I know SPAM isn't making Nepal into a paradise but please let's not go the other extream as well okay.
Bhudai Pundit
Change Everythign in Nepal
Change anyone opposing the Maoists, from living to dead
Change all colors in Nepal, from anything else to red
Change zone of peace to zone of filth and bloodshed
Change all Nepalis’ anatomy such that the ass is our head
Oh, and we should declare Poush 27, the Prachanda Pariwartan Diwas
Blogdai needs to apologize for spreading rumors about the impending death of GPK before his credibilty takes a hit.
What credibility? hah!
Parties NEED to apologize to Nepali people and step down for last 17 years of fleecing and mismanagement, NEVER to come back and run for ANY political office ever again.
Maoists NEED to apologize to Nepali people, repent and go on a long self-reflection journey for their crimes against humanity, NEVER to come back and terrorize the innocent people again.
GPK is AS GOOD AS DEAD. What does it matter now? Go Nepal Army, flush the democratic farce down Bagmati
Bagmati is a holy river. Please don't ask RNA to pollute the holy river by throwing SPAMmers into it.
While we are on the subject of apologies I think everyone needs to apologize to the Nepali people. Including Gyanendra - for his idiotic Feb 1st move and on behalf of his ancestors.
Bhudai Pundit
Sure, the parties, Gyane, and the Maoists need to apologize to the nation too (good luck with that), and sure, GPK is as good as dead. But the reason why an apology matters is the FACT that he is not dead yet, and to spread rumors about his impending death is to peddle in falsity.
An apology would indicate that Blogdai respects his readership, that facts matter on this site. Everyone makes mistakes, but the ones that take responsibility for them gains trust and credibility because it demonstrate character.
How hard is that to understand?
GPK should apologize for not dying two days ago. Prachanda should apologize for not dying in 1996. Gyane should apologize for not fully exploiting the potential of his takeover.
Talk about accountability.
ah! now blogDAI [sic] hopes that shriveled up turd--GPK dai. honestly, i hope him dead too.
but, my, my, my talk about blogDAI's hipocracy, wasn't he the one to spouse the idea of some military FART analyst some Dr. Mark at top of his lungs that 'HOPE IS NO STRATEGY/METHOD'...
what happened, now you wish/hope GPK dead? why not tell some GI Joes of Nepali Military complex to put him out, now that would be some METHOD/STRATEGY.
ram! ram!
"Gyane should apologize for not fully exploiting the potential of his takeover."
Gyan should apologize for being an idiot and having the most stupid advisors ever. Yes he totally could have taken Nepal down a different path.
They should just stop all this nonesense and make me the King. Now I would do a fantastic job!
What do you say Blogdai? I might just start my own andolan.
Bhudai Pundit
Just crossed my mind- when zones were created and demarcated it took names of rivers (narayani, bagmati etc.,) and if you notice most of the zones run north/south. The foresight of King Mahendra can be seen here beside the resettlement of hilly people in terai. Now all this is in peril. Just goes to show when SPAM monkey get a coconut, they do not know what to do with it.
We should put a stop to all this- even if it means being evil.
The plight of our country is deteriorating day by day due to daily strikes, bandhas, political trifles and uncertainties thanks to SPAM and Maoist leaders. As far as I know from history (though i was not born at the time) before 2046 at least a person had right to live his/her life in independent way and no one would influence the basic right of the person. From basic right i mean the right to eat, sleep, and work et al. The 2046, as far as I feel, was not for the basic right but for the secondary rights like right to open political parties, involve in politics, organize hardcore strikes, bandhas,
Write anything and libel others esp. government in the media etc which was restricted at the time. Yes we did achieve the secondary rights but in the cost of basic/primary rights. The consequences, we cannot freely live our life in our own way.
The politics (precisely the corrupt politics) has taken over every offices and organizations. Daily strikes and bandhas make life very difficult for every level of people, be it first-class section officer or the street -vendors/hawkers. The gullible and dejected ones are shown false hopes and are involved in 'bloodshed-politics’ (insurgence). Just compare the current situation with what
it was 20-22 years ago. See the pollution in streets, the state of rivers, the plight of banks and other corporations like RNAC, SAJHA yatayat etc. after the emerging of so-called democracy. Also notice the attitude of India towards Nepal - How easily She has been
able to take advantage of political chaos here for her own interest. Let’s not go so far- the treasonable MAhakali/Tanakpur treaties and KAlapani cases are enough to speak everything. I don't think if we had prolongation of PAnchayat system, we had to face all these consequences. I don't have time otherwise I have enough points to fill up several pages.
Well, This is all my personal view and I have expressed them considering that anyone can express their views without fear in your so-called lokatantra. But I'm sure if I would have spoken it outdoors, either I would have been slain or at least, badly victimized.
Most of the bloggers here will discard what I’ve written above because very few of us Nepalese are free from PRE-DISPOSITION. But What I feel is that we should now give some time to 'critical thinking’ (please check out some information on this topic) before taking anything for granted and making it our hardcore belief or life-style.
Nepal is politically bankrupt. I mean, this is as bad as it can get. Is there no one in the country who has a vision of the country that doesn't involve fattening him/her self first?
Something needs to be done, and I'm not sure what it is. None of the present bunch is any good.
The answer, I'm afraid, might lie in India.
Solution:
BLOGDAI FOR PRESIDENT OF NEPAL.
Preeti,(sigh!) PRETTY KOIRALA for PM.
Alas Ms. Koirala has spurned my many amorous advances towards having her write a column or two for us. One would be tempted to claim the mantra "hell hath no fury like a blogdai scorned," but I shall refrain and save my vitriol for the political sphere.
I told you so department: fJust like clockwork SPAM has decided to look for "alternative" ways to punish G. for his speech. THey just don't get it. THese fools will not allow any democratic principles such as free speech to get in the way of their ambitions. Heaven help anyone who speaks dissent from here on out.
Death watch: Lots of buzzing around girija's home and front gate. Also, don't you find it strange that the normally silent sushil koirala has been speaking out on national issues?
-=BD
Manan,
This is not as bad as it gets. Just watch a few documentaries on congo, rawanda or sudan and you would realize that we still have a long way down to go.
Blogdai on March 1:
"Girija is dead. In fact, he died two days ago. Watch the movement of SPAM in the media for evidence and confirmation."
Blogdai on March 5:
"Death watch: Lots of buzzing around girija's home and front gate. Also, don't you find it strange that the normally silent sushil koirala has been speaking out on national issues?"
read the entire thread you moron before you play your childish "gotcha" contradictory games.
It is almost unfathomable to me that some of you with english skills have less than an infant's level of comprehension.
-=blogdisgustedonceagain
If they had brains to comprehend, they wouldn't be called SPAMmers.
I caught this in a news this morning- naked men terrorizing one VDC. I bet before too long these nudist will demand a share in the assembly or go for bandh and autonomous state. If that happens I will support them. I guess they must feel marginalized, opporessed, and discriminated;therefore, have a valid call for bandh and separate state. Don't you thin ??? Ride the wave of new Nepal led by SPAM where anything goes and is free for everyone. Why get left behind.
hey Blogdai, Girija seems really healthy. Go to nepalnews.com and see him shaking hands with the Norwegian minister.
Unless the photo has been doctored.
Bhudai Pundit
"read the entire thread you moron before you play your childish "gotcha" contradictory games.
"It is almost unfathomable to me that some of you with english skills have less than an infant's level of comprehension."
Translation for fellow morons like me:
Blogdai's disseminination of false information, documented for all to see upthread, is the fault of my reading comprehension.
Nice!
FYI, I found both the post and the thread thought-provoking. But as a long-time lurking reader, it bothered me that you would state GPK's death as fact, yet make no attempt to address the glaring mistake when called on it.
Instead, here you are calling me names in a shrill and defensive manner. Who is acting like a thin-skinned infant here?
Never mind, though. This is your blog and you can do whatever you want in it. But the next time you go lecturing our deeply flawed leaders on accountability and such, you may want to take a good look in the mirror first.
Anonymous @ 8:40, that's just the way the game is played; Blogdai is content playing the part of the scribe who is deeply concerned about the lack of morals/accountability in Nepal whilst simultaneously running for the hills the minute he is challenged on the same account!!
What say you Blogdai?
WHAT AN OPOORTUNITY THE KING HAD. And he flushed it all down the toilet!! Ideally this is what Nepal needs. But we don't have the person to undertake this. THAT PATHETIC sorry excuse for a King just missed his opportunity.
Please read the following article.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6428979.stm
Bhudai Pundit
People who blame the king for missed opportunity are sleazeballs-when he wanted to make the difference- they cried human rights and press freedom even when there was but now these bottom feeders read few comments by gringos and believe 'what a missed opportunity."
These kinds are root of all problem. Just cannot have both ways. Learn to grow up
Anon or should I just call you cunt?
He didn't want to make any difference. He had an opportunity but with the typical Shah mindset he was irresponsible and gambled it all away. There were just so many opportunities staring at him in the face. But given Gyanendra was surrounded by people like Tulsi Giri, Kamal Thapa, Bharat Simba etc. and he himself is a dumbass he just couldn't seal the deal. All this idiot had to do was appoint a non controversial cabinate, improve public services, not increase palace expenditures by 300%, not take useless wasteful trips to Africa. Perhaps if he spent more time thinking about political strategies instead of consulting Tantrics and conducting poojas 24/7 he might have made a differece.
He fcuked up! Deal with it!!
Bhudai Pundit
Bhudai bhai,
The weakness of your argument is reflected in the use of the word "cunt". It really demonstrates your level of intellect and comprehension of politics from your armchair in Ohio (or wherever). Really, turn on the TV and watch the Simpsons and leave the political debate to people who can put forward debate without bile.
I always thought you were confused but now i think you are just ignorant.
Milo
Milo dada:
My level of understanding of Politics? I have been coming to this website for quiet some time now and I don't ever remember reading your astute political insight. So grow up, stop crying because I said "cunt" and address the rest of my argument. And don't tell me my argument is weak just because you are too lazy to put forth a counter argument.
Aite, thanks for reminding me the Simpsons just came on - i'll probably get more intelligent discourse there.
Bhudai Pundit
Bhudai,
You get no currency whatsoever when you start resorting to using such choice terms and come across as a bully.
Perhaps, an apology is due?
The BBC news says that Nepal is now going to be a federal country. Surely, there should be a referendum on such matters? Especially, since we have an *unelected* interim government in power and plenty of Maoist MPs who effectively got their seats for free. This is totally unacceptable and I will never recognize this.
BD, I think you jumped the gun on the demise of Girija. I understand he's been ill with Hepatitis E. The old man has amazing powers of recuperation. Like I said before he'll probably outlive the rest of us. I only pray there's a hell...
naagboy
nagaboy
Okay I am sorry for using bad words. I apologize. Now please ask those clowns to address my argument as opposed to getting stuck up on some irrelevant point.
Bhudai Pundit
Is Bhudai the village idiot or something?
What a dick!
Bhudai bhai,
The point is that when your viewpoint gets challenged you resort to a plague of insults because of your inability to conduct intelligent debate.
Perhaps you should settle down to World Wide Wrestling instead?
At least you can grapple with the views being put forward.
Milo
Koirala dead?
Blogdai, i think you raised the hopes of so many people but the man has only suffered from a bout of jaundice.
I would suggest you check your sources and perhaps slap them about a bit.
Every one knows that Koirala is going to die soon. He is just too old and in such poor health. The question is not if but when. How long can the old man keep himself alive? 2 years? 1? 6 months? 2 weeks?
Sooner or later death is going to catch him up.
Milo
Milo Dada:
You better hope Girija stays alive for as long as possible. Once Girija is gone there is going to be huge power vacume and the situation will be awekward. Before cafeful what you wish for.
"The point is that when your viewpoint gets challenged..."
Err... I don't believe you have actually challeneged my viewpoint. Challenge me dada and I promise this time I won't hurt your feelings by using a 'bad' word.
I mean I obviously can't come up with the insights you are capable of i.e.
"Every one knows that Koirala is going to die soon. He is just too old and in such poor health. The question is not if but when. How long can the old man keep himself alive? 2 years? 1? 6 months? 2 weeks?"
But let me see what I can do.
So let's go back to my original post of 6:51 AM, March 09, 2007 and pretend the word 'cunt' isn't there.
Bhudai Pundit
PS:
Anon:
"Is Bhudai the village idiot or something? What a dick!"
No Anon, I am the famous one liner genuius.
Naag, not only has he hep E. but something called "stage II respiratory failure." Not good for a man in his 80"s. Appears now that the ol' fart is alive but not seen at the all-nighters being pulled to try and make a government.
Yes, will slap about the sources for jumping the gun. They are: a physician with access and a prominent member of the CPN-UML.
The latter also states that there will be no CA elections or a substantive crack at a government anytime soon.
Gotta rotate the sources from time to time
-=blogdai
blogdai: tell me why you are so anxious for Girija to go. I am no fan of the man but look the choices after him!
Bhudai Pundit
The famous one liner genius?
Don't you mean the famous one handed shuffler?
What a crack head!
"Yes, will slap about the sources for jumping the gun. They are: a physician with access and a prominent member of the CPN-UML."
Despite the fact that Blogdai reported the false information, he, of course, is not to blame at all. When in trouble, blame others. QED! Now that, my friends, is what I call accountability.
Try again, Blogdai, this is getting to be fun.
“Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do.” --Dale Carnegie
Here's one from me: If you're looking for an exact, omniscient representation of information, you will soon have no information at all.
We all play our hunches from time to time. So, while you are sitting there with nothing new to offer, blogdai asks: what have you written on behalf of our beloved Nepal today, fool?
-=blogdai
Well enough of girija's death already. If you consider BD to be the source of all news in Nepal, i think it is your fault. He did suggest everyone to check the news and other formal sources for evidence.
However, the problem now is how are these SPA idiots stop the maoist from entering the government? and do they have the right to? The issues of weapons and other details should have been worked out before the 12 point agreement which was signed on good faith. Do these spa thugs have the right to stop them from using the muscles now? After all, we all know that the april uprising was lead by the maoists themselves and without them nothing would have happened. Are we ready for an urban warfare just because the US (which supported the 12 pt agreement) does not find the maoist to be in their interest any more? Why should we die for the farce of a democracy? Just so that some NRN can write a few articles on the virtues of democarcy while the army fights the maoists in the cities like in Iraq? I say let them have it. Let them run this shithouse for a while. After all, we are not ready for another war to make these SPA hooligans powerful again. What is in it for us nepalis? Let us start talking about our interest rather than India's or US's.
Bhudai- I have been saying this for long time you are a "confirmed Hejada." You just cannot take the truth. You speak of midset and cunt and from the rebuttal you have made- it shows you have nor the fortitude or the character to debate. You are what we call nitpickers- seeing faults everywhere except in you. Grow up and discard you Bhaun mindset- now you started it.
I ask, is there Pride anywhere?? just read
The Indian Embassy in Lainchour, these days, has emerged as the only most powerful embassy which actually is the remote control of the Nepal government. The Embassy is busy in dealing with very big and very small business – whether it is political or commercial in nature, among others. Our readers may know what very big deals the Embassy is involved in, but many may not be aware about very small deals also in which the Embassy is poking its nose. At the time of renewal of the trade treaty between Nepal and India, the Indian ambassador was busy in consultations with the then commerce minister Buddhiman Tamang. These consultations were related to an Indian joint-venture company and the Indian ambassador had put forward a pre-condition for the renewal of the treaty. That condition was giving a huge amount of the government revenue exemption to an Indian joint-venture tele-communication company, UTL. The then cabinet was compelled to give such discount for this particular company. Yes, we have another joint-venture company in communications, Spice Nepal Pvt Ltd. But, this company was not given such a discount. It is interesting to know, later, the Rayamajhi Commission interrogated Tamang and asked him about giving such a heavy discount. Later when Tamang said, it was the business of the Lainchour Durbar, the "powerful" Rayamajhi Commission didn't mention a single word about this discount in its report.
Our readers may be aware that most of the print as well as electronic media are directly or indirectly supported by the Lainchour Durbar and thus media persons are very cautious while producing any report that might irritate their bread giver, the Lainchour Durbar. Our borders are encroached by the Indians; our soil is inundated by the construction of Indian dams which is in violation of the norms of international borders; anti-national citizenship bill was endorsed unopposed by the parliament, among many, many other anti-Nepal activities. But there was no newspaper -- except some patriotic but small weeklies – which dared to write about these vexing issues. Perhaps, these daring newspapers hurt the “feelings” of the Lainchour Durbar, therefore, this Durbar, now-a-days, is running after these small newspapers which dared to go against it. The business of the senior diplomats at the Lainchour Durbar these days is to ask those officials of the Indian joint-ventures to not “support” the patriotic newspapers by giving them commercial advertisements. Just recently, as per the Indian Embassy instruction, the Salt Trading Corporation stopped giving the "Aayo Noon" advertisement (an Indian product marketed by Salt Trading) to this newspaper, although the advertisement amount was very little. This could be an attempt of enforcing an economic blockade against those newspapers which dared to go against the embassy of the 'largest democracy'. And this is the practical censor of media in Nepal. No matter, those leading media can write everything about Nepal but cannot write anything about India, this is the reality and the state of freedom of press in Nepal.
We don't mind, we know, we cannot get the advertisements of those multinational companies having Indian investment. Thus far, we have requested to our friends for financial contribution and the response has been very much encouraging. Considering the sentimental attachment of those respected contributors towards our efforts, we are determined for the proper utilization of this fund and we have deposited the sum in a fixed deposit account and we wish to spend the interest that we receive from that fund for bringing out our newspaper without any financial hurdle.
Yes, dumped Indian products dominate our market and our country is suffering a huge deficit in its trade with India. Although the Indian industrialists earn profit from their dumped products, they invest very little portion of their profit in advertisements here. Getting advertisement is our right. If they do not invest in advertisement, it is wise to discard their products and it is our request to our friends to avoid those Indian products and consume local products and if local products are not available in the market, then try for the third country quality products, which are better compared to the dumped Indian products. Our small efforts may help to give a positive trend in creating a balance in our trade with this bully of a neighbour. Let's think about this!
the U.s. supports India and india supports the 12 point agreement.
Although severely behind the curve and not apparently motivated to catch up, ambassador Moriarty actually got something right when he initially criticized the 12 pointer as folly.
Curiously, after Bush's "welcome to the nuclear club" visit to india last year, Moriarty abruptly flip-flopped and supported the agreement.
More curious now is that the U.S. is decreasing it's aid and development budget to India by 30% for some reason. Can we now expect another change of heart from Moriarty?
-=Blogdai
"Here's one from me: If you're looking for an exact, omniscient representation of information, you will soon have no information at all.
"We all play our hunches from time to time. So, while you are sitting there with nothing new to offer, blogdai asks: what have you written on behalf of our beloved Nepal today, fool?"
If questioning is the trademark of a fool, I gladly accept the title. Blogdai, this isn't about me, so whether I contribute or not to Nepal is irrelevant here, and only serves as a diversionary tactic that you have shown yourself to be quite a master at. Let's not forget that I was not the one who proclaimed Girija dead.
Omniscience? No, I don't expect that of anyone, I leave that to the gods. And I can understand that we all play our hunches from time to time, no problem there.
My quibble with you is quite simple: you played your hunches and lost, badly; for the sake of your credibility and as a sign of respect to your readers, I was merely expecting a small apology for having misled us, or just a commom errata, if you will.
But no, you've decided your ego trumps something so fundamental as a correction, an acknowledgement of error. The only reason I have pursued this thus far is to see how far you would go to escape a simple moment of accountability. I must say I have been impressed by your sophistry, not that that fools anyone, you see.
But carry on, oh great contributor to our beloved Nepal (at your convenience, of course)!
Proudly,
The Fool
This blog is starting to lose relevance now
1.) You have your village idiots (bhudai, multiple, anon's) who are just here to throw their ego about.
2.) Every post descends into anti-SPAM banter with no real discussion of issues.
3.) Every post descends into Blogdai bashing for defending the King.
The issues have been forgotten, long live the issues!
Malai Hungry Ho!
Well, perhaps this thread is a microcosm of the nepali diaspora as a whole.
Prachanda and Girija must absolutely love how easily the issues can be sidestepped, forgotten and misinterpereted by an easily-distracted public.
As this and other threads show, there seems to be an inherent inability to build on the salient points of any single posting and move forward towards compromise and concensus: a hallmark of democratic mastery.
Instead we fall into the old, comfortable emotionalisms of accusation, name-calling and non-issue distractions.
Perhaps a Prachanda-led administration would get one and all to finally pay attention?
-=blogdai
Hey Anon, I bow down to your debating skills. Please continue to enlighten us with more of your wise comments. It's really changing my prespective of Nepal.
What a geat debater you are. You really sealed the deal with your anti-Bhun comment at the end. Wow!
You are right I really do need to change my mind set.
And nice ues of the word Hejada as well.
Bhudai Pundit
Bhudai- you started it, stereotyping, not me. Like I said learn to find fault within you before you start name calling and pointing fingers.
All I can say is you write well and I agree with most of your comments but what I do not see is your stand on anything. This is the time to stand for something not just passing comments with shit full of righteouness.
Anon: The great Anon.
"Bhudai- you started it stereotyping, not me"
Hey let's play a little game. Go through this thread and quote me where you think I have 'sterotyped'.
I'll go first:
"Grow up and discard you Bhaun mindset- now you started it."
Take a side? Read this comment and pretend the word 'cunt isn't there.
6:51 AM, March 09, 2007.
And anon please also go through this tread from the begining and count how many useless comments I have made vs. how many useless comments (attacking me) you have made.
Bhudai Pundit
Here's a more fun game: how about if blogdai goes through and deletes all the sniveling insipid comments made by both of you?
Now knock it off an move forward please.
-=blogdaddy
Hey man, that's not as much fun as watching these two idiots egos square up to one another. Keep it going boys, it's my evening entertainment!
Nearly as funny as the Maoists claim that the King was offering 600 million to shoot down the Commie b*stards. Now that's funny!
The Fiercely Flatulant One (Pra *** chanda)
Do the ***'s between prachanda's name signify his fierce flatulence?
If so, I hereby command that any use of *** on this blog will henceforth signify flatulence. Thank you for your patronage.
-=blogdirective
Ah, i am glad it was understood.
Where did Bhudai Bandit go and his anonymous thieves? I was hoping they would renew their ego bashing.
So quiet without their rantings, reminds me of my day in parliament. Latest suggestion from NC delegate is to sell electricity by email.
I'll give you a CD on how you can take him out if you want.
Unplug his computer.
The Fiercely Flatulant One (Pra *** chanda)
It wasn't a ego clash between me and bhudai. I simply wanted to convey that this ain't a time to spread all over with two bits of high handed comments. Gotta stand up and counted otherwise SPAM will run us to a ground.
Say what you will but if we contiue to find solace in commenting as an afterthoughts-price we pay will be high. I for one think, enough of this intellectual glee of making a snide comments or acting Jefferson-we gotta stand up even if that pole is not excatly like we wanted it to be. People may call us feudal but being born a feudal, though I don't know how these commies slot us as feudal, may be by caste- are we to be ashmned of being what we are. I say lets find pride in being what we are- not sulk or hide and let them run over us.
At this cross-road we must assert our right as well. This is not to disparage, discriminate or degrade other but simply to safeguard our interest and right to live as a common Nepali. Do you think if they have their way, would they let us live in peace, No way. So stand up for something now or forever cry in despair.
This is all I wanted to say to Bhudai-no hard feelings. Come off the fence and choose a side that you believe in.
I am tired of this picky insipid grandmother shit, Bhudai so you have been deleted and will be deleted until you return to your usual substance-oriented self
-=BD
Blgodai:
I don't understand why you deleted my comment. Anon has asked me to 'take a side' and I don't understand what that means. Is that even possible? What side is he on? What side are you on? I don't think things are as black and white.
Furthermore, there are numerous comments have no substance so why do u choose to pick on me?
Bhudai Pundit
this rambling tit-for-tat foolishness is going nowhere and is a collosal waste of our time.
All of you, not just Bhudai, move forward or get off the bus.
-=BD
Blogdai,
Taking a side isn't a foolish tit-for-tat rambling. I think Anon might have hit a pretty important subject here. I ask if it is even possible to TAKE a side given Nepal's socio-political state.
It's something to think about.
Bhudai Pundit
Mr. Bundit,
I actually agree with anon. I had mentioned this to you earlier as well about you standing no where. Supporting or taking a side does not mean that the side has to be right. Look, you go on criticizing everyone there is and even though you claim to be an optimist, i dont see how as you claim all our political forces are a bunch of idiots (which might be true). Yes, it seems that the only person you think is capable of anything is yourself. But like anon said, it would be a hell lot of easier if we knew where you stood. Because criticing any side, or any party is really easy now in Nepal
where do you stand B?
Take a side eh? Well I think all the sides are just as bad in Nepal. I don't believe any side has the intention of working for the people. So why should I take a side? You are talking like George Bush "You are with us or against us". Well gentlemen let me remind you that this isn't a cowboy movie. It's more complicated than choosing a side.
Bhudai Pundit
Yes Mr. Pundit, we are all george bush. And you are right when you say that there is no one in this country who will work in the interest of this nation and her people. So why not just give up. Let nepal go. If we are incapable of running this country why not ask some other countries to run it for us?
My stand is, Mr. Pundit, is that i would support any dictator for the next 5-10 years. Even GPK, if he can do a coup, will do.
Talking sides mean doing your part, being action oriented not preachy to a point where even when man is dragged from his house and beaten black and blue- only thing that we can do is cross analyse the socio-political condition.
I have been saying this for far too long- unless we learn to counter this thugs by their own weapons we stand no chance. Many more will be selectively threatened and abused before light dawns on us that to fight a cowards, you gotta be like them. Just do it.
Mr. B you once again prove my point. Why do you keep going over board with your examples? I am not saying we should give up and let another country run Nepal. You are just making up your own arguments and entertaining yourself.
Not taking a side doesn't mean we just give up. It means we remain suspicious, critical and skeptic of all sides. Nepal needs a new direction, fresh leaders. Or as anon points out people who (even individually) want to make a difference. Saying even Girija will do as a dictator is giving up.
But I agree the situation is so bad right now. If G and the army were to take over and stop this madness I wouldn't protest. That's coming from me - so just imagine how bad things have got. It's come to the point where I miss that old fart Tulsi Giri - at least he doesn't make me vomit like Prachanda!!
Bhudai Pundit
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