Army Integration: A Change of Heart
Ol' blogdai has had a change of heart regarding Prachanda's big push to have Maoist combatants integrated into the Nepali army.
I say, "let em' in!"
Draw them out of the woods and villages and offer pay, training and discipline. Follow it up with a stern law against armed groups terrorizing villagers. After integration, no extortion, armed bullying or cooercion by any group claiming to be Maoist would be deemed lawful, as there would be no need for such groups-- only the Nepal Army.
Integrated Maoists won't need to raise money anymore and they won't need to force villagers to attend rallies. Without their oppressive presence in the villages, Maoist propaganda and ideology cannot spread.
The reality is, offering the Maoists a job in a real army would, let's face it, amount to a high-security form of cantonement. Something that Ian Martin and his ridiculously uniformed concepts never could have achieved.
Do the Maoists actually believe they would be accepted into the Nepal Army as equals? As "brothers in arms?" Hardly. What we would see would be the gradual sidelining of the poorly-trained Maoists, if not outright hostility and abuse, at the hands of Nepal's professional soldiers. Perhaps a fitting end for those who have killed and abused innocents in the past.
Ram Poudel and whats left of the Nepali Congress are dead opposed to the idea. Is there any wonder? The Maoists are the only real physical force the NC can allign with to press their demands. Integrating them into the Nepal Army would take away a key political pawn for Girija and his newly rabbled party. They would no longer be able to make the threat of another deal-with-the-devil Jana Andolan. The integration of the Maoists into theNepal Army would render the Nepali Congress toothless and impotent. Frankly, Girija's screaming little NC student wing just doesn't have the power to influence Nepali politics on a national level like those big-bad Maoist murderers did during Jana Andolan.
So fully integrate the Maoist, says blogdai. Give them a hot meal and a hearty bonus just for showing up at their local army post. Give them clean and snappy uniforms and teach them to march.
Maybe, just maybe, this will dissolve the worst cancer to infest human lives in Nepal's history.
-=blogdai
posted by blogdai @ 10/14/2008 10:08:00 AM
38 comments
38 Comments:
How can you be so naive?
Is that it? Is that your big argument? IN WHAT WAYS is blogdai so naive?
We put down arguments here, Mr. Simple. We present positions. Agree or disagree, but tell us why.
-=blogdai
Always good to read Blogdai, intelligent opinions are in short supply.. but from the Maoist perspective of "Peoples War", the only significant threat to them seizing complete control of the country is the Army. By integrating the PLA with the RNA, they effectively neutralise the only group who could oppose them. The Army leadership seem to want to go along with this integration plan, but they wouldn't want to risk their jobs and pensions by protesting against it, now would they?
I hope Blogdai is right and the integration plan will have a positive effect, but Maoism isn't the most liberal or democratic ideology and it'd be a pity to see Nepal become a one party state with the "Fierce One" and his gang in charge..
An excellent point that blogdai failed to consider. Kudos to you.
Let's see then.
If we were prone to conspiracy theories, we could liken integration to infiltration. Perhaps Prachanda wants the inside scoop on all army movements and tactics. What better way to get this than by plugging hundreds of communist maniacs into the system.
Who would know a Maoists heart and ultimate loyalty? It would take just one phone call from one Maoist to one Maoist commander in the field, and a whold security operation could be blown.
This is why blogdai feels the NA will marginalize the new maoists. Hopefully, they won't get close enough to tactical information.
But hey, "loose lips, sink ships" right?
Nicely presented point, again thanks
-=blogdai
http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2008/oct/oct18/news08.php
"Defense Minister and senior Maoist leader Ram Bahadur Thapa has said the members of People's Liberation Army (PLA) will join the national army not under the exiting recruiting standards of Nepal Army (NA) but under new standards set by the yet-to-be-formed special committee.
Speaking at the Reporters Club on Saturday, Thapa said the requirements for joining the national army for PLA men should be changed in view of the current "extraordinary political situation" in the country.
He said that since the modality of 'integration' between NA and PLA is yet to be agreed upon at the political level, his party is ready to discuss all the options involving this issue.
Apart from the national army, the PLA men could also be inducted in Armed Police Force, Nepal Police or the proposed Industrial Force, the minister said, adding that the Maoist party would not force any PLA member to join the army or any particular force."
Also-
"Prime Minister Pushpa Kamal Dahal has said that major changes are being made in administrative and security bodies within a few days."
... so the PLA won't be subject to normal recruiting standards and maoist friendly officials are going to be appointed to key posts?
.. conspiracy theories? The maoists have been conspiring to take over the country for over 10 years. Do we honestly believe all that stuff about democratic socialism, or is it just a lot of spin to encourage foreign aid money while they quietly take control? If I were them I'd be planning to control media and communcations as well
You are on to something, and you are correct.
-=blogdai
blah blah blah blah blah
poooooop
Yes, thank you for that. A fresh voice such as yours always gets a chance here at blogdai; and frankly, your commentary makes more sense than a lot of the whining drabble we come across here.
-=BD
The only whining, drabble and speculative garbage that comes here is from none other than Blogdai. By the way how is this a "fresh" view point? These anon bloggers have basically regurgitated Blogdai’s favorite past time of constantly demonizing the Maoists and proposed more ridiculous and speculative conspiracy theories. It’s almost as if Blogdai came here as anon and posted the comments himself.
Here is the point: the notion that the Maoists are hardcore communists who are out for a one party totalitarian state needs to be thrown out. Every action of theirs since they have come to power has shown this is unture. I agree it’s always good to have opposition and it’s important to have checks and balances in any political system but proposing ridiculous theories that integrating PLA combatants into the NA is another step for the Maoists to march towards a one party communist state is not the smartest way to go about it. Additionally, let me disagree with the clown who claimed that by integrating PLA combatants into the NA we are loosing the only force capable of opposing the Maoists!
I got news for you! Nepal has changed! People are more conscious and aware of their rights and I guarantee you that they not going to allow any leader to just run all over them.
Bhudai Pundit
God, here you are again. Ok, we'll do the same drill: talk you into a corner and then you'll leave in an indignant huff and threaten never to read blogdai again. Would that that was true...
You need to severely qualify your statement that the Maoists have shown by their actions to be against a totalitarian state. I don't know what kind of perceptions you maintain, other than those similar to Sarah Palin, but the Maoists have done absolutely nothing that does not lead to a totalitarian Communist regime.
Did you just conveniently forget Prachanda's repeated comments to the media regarding his "ultimate" goal of a communist system?
How about his insistence on rewriting the rules of government to make them more "totalitarian friendly?"
Bhudai, you are obviously a Maoist sympathizer and cannot seem to get an overview or perspective of anything that does not lead directly to Maoist appeasement.
Give me one instance--JUST ONE--where Prachanda or any Maoists has rejected a communist ideal or philosophy that did not strategically improve the Maoist's chances of ultimate government take-over.
The only reason Maoists ARE in power is because people were intimidated and allwed them to run all over. It might be decades, if ever, before Nepalis take and active role in their own political self-determination.
You are a rickshaw with a wheel stuck in the left-turn position. You go nowhere, yet you keep on turning, wasting energy and time.
-=blogdai
It’s a funny thing because I feel the same way (that last statement of yours) about you!
But I must say you are more like Sarah Palin because obviously you never read the news or news magazines because it was Baburam who said that the ultimate goal is communism and not Prachanda. But that’s just rhetoric in my opinion to appease a small base of theirs. Both Baburam and Prachanda have been bending over and kissing ass here in Washington to appease the International community. In fact they have even proposed changing their party name – again if you read the paper or occasionally browsed a news magazine you would know.
Well let’s try to approach this discussion calmly and avoid going down the road of insults and attacks because I can play that game forever and soon enough when you can’t respond you will just start to censor me and than it just becomes frustrating.
I don’t think I have always been a Maoist sympathizer. During the insurgency I was dead against the Maoists. But after they have joined mainstream politics I have had a change of heart. I believe the only solution to the Maoist insurgency was for them to join mainstream politics which I am glad they have done. I simply do not believe that the NA or the former RNA were going to be able to solve this problem militarily. In fact I don’t think there is ever a military solution to such circumstances and again if you will read latest research and look around the world you will see likewise. Well before I go I would like to hear why you think the Maoists are intent on a one part communist state. In fact, if you would, please explain if that’s their goal why are they courting the NC to join the government? In fact why aren’t they just flaunting everything going at it alone right now? Why have they been going around trying to form a stable coalition government?
I just don’t buy your views and thinking and I think Nepal has now moved on as well. You are just caught up here with 5 or 6 other bloggers in that same mind set. It’s just like your investigation on the Chinese Olympic torch processing story – going nowhere and wasting everyone’s time. By the way when are we going to see this on the cover of Newsweek?
ps:
"Give me one instance--JUST ONE--where Prachanda or any Maoists has rejected a communist ideal or philosophy"
They still believe in property ownership as far as I can tell, they still believe in private enterprise and free markets.
Well, no and no.
Maoists believe in private property ownership as long as the Maoists own the property. Seen any progress lately on the returning of seized property and assets to their rightful owners? Nope.
Free enterprise is a wonderful thing to a Maoists since they feel they can walk in to any business at any time and just take over.
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/tibet/Nepal_Maoist-09232008132531.html (See the Power Base paragraph)
How about the free negotiation of labor agreements? Kinda puts a dent in that free enterprise theory of yours when Maoist labor unions are forced, to the point of beating, on business owners.
-=blogdai
Commies are wonderful with words. don't you know how they sold the Civil society jack-asses, political high priest & preachers, and now the Katuwals of the army who can swing any ways the windblows down the river. Nepal as we know it is being bought stock and barrel by the Indians.
What about those shameless ShabhaSod on foreign jaunts at the expese and advice of INGOs. Ain't we all proud to be Nepali
Bhudai,
You'd best let Blogdai talk to himself on this blog.
It is impossible to really know whether the Anon's are Blogdai or other visitors. Only Blogdai's conscience can reveal this.
I stopped visiting this blog a long time ago because, as blogdai puts it, this blog is "a rickshaw with a wheel stuck in the left-turn position. You go nowhere, yet you keep on turning, wasting energy and time." It's been like this since people took to the streets to overthrow the King.
Blogdai has lost his audience and where he used to get 50 or 60 comments -he is now lucky to get 10 or 15. There is no active debate on this blog and his views get more extreme as time goes by.
His Blog shows that he has little or no understanding of the reality in Nepal.
(1) You can not assert that the Maoists won a landslide election on the basis of intimidation. There is no evidence to support this. Actually, I know people who many who voluntarily voted Maoists because they wanted to see a change of leadership. However, I am not dismissing the claims entirely, because there were minor incidents where intimidation was used to garner votes and not just by the Maoists but my Madhesi groups, NC, UML etc...etc.. Cumulatively, small scale intimidation did not effect national voting patterns -which were overwhelmingly in favour of Maoists.
(2) It is certainly possible that the Maoists long term aim is for a one party, totalitarian regime given the atrocities they have carried out, the land they have stolen and their dislike of criticism -ironically, a quality that they share with Blogdai- can not be simply forgotten or brushed under the carpet. However, the evidence presented so far is contrary to their past behaviour. For Blogdai to claim otherwise is just mere pandering to his idiosyncratic views of Nepal.
I used to come here for the lively debate but now there is none so I rarely visit. In my opinion, Blogdai's views are a throwback to the views of the 60s where communism was to be defeated and to the authoritarianism of the panchayat era where 'everything was ok.' It also seems that Blogdai has not kept his keen eye on news in Nepal and drifted his attention to the next fashionable debate -Tibet (because of the Olympics) as I see little evidence that he is in Nepal, has visited Nepal or even has an idea what is happening in Nepal. His views are just a rehash of 2006. The world has moved on but he has not. It's his rickshaw, I suppose.
Bhudai, I would urge you to keep your senses about you and move on to another blog, news outlet or simply write your own.
Coming back made me realise why I went away in the first place!
I doubt very much that Blogdai will allow me to post this comment and I can feel the 'censor' button approach this post. Another quality that Blogdai shares with the Communists eh?
conscience vs. content
lively debate vs. chat-room blather
such a detailed critique of blogdai vs. the fact that you "rarely visit."
One party communist state vs. inplicit free will at the polls.
"Idiosyncratic" blogdai vs. continued revisits by your ilk after professing never to come back.
Do go on....
-=BD
I do not always agree with blogdai but that is the fun of being in this blog. His sarcasm and his non tolorence for his criticism is another attraction. He puts is arguments well and he offers a heated debate. I regularly visit this website as it offers a different perspective.
I do not understand why blogdai should just accept criticism? He has every right to defend his point of view as long as he does not kill the criticiser like maoists that is. I think the blog comments on all the blog sites going down and it is not just blogdai. i am sick of those blogsites where they they write popular stuff just to try and get more attention at least with this one you have an opinion as soon as you read the headline.
Those you claim this website to be a waste of time, i would request them to suggest a better one please or else shut it.
I agree that blogdai is drifting a bit towards Tibet and is not as interesting as nepal is for us. He also does not update his blogs as much as he probably should and that could be one of the reason that he does not get as many visitors as he used to. But i think this blog is fun. He does not publish right or wrong blogs blogs but he atleast forces us to think.
lively debate vs. chat-room blather
So long as the blogger agrees with your view point you post any worthless banter here so no need to be disingenuous.
I think B raises some very important issues which you are conveniently ignoring. But let me just clarify that I am not a blind supporter of the Maoists as you have suggested. There are legitimate criticisms of the Maoists. Unfortunately, your childish approach precludes us from really discussing these issues. You need to stop perpetuating this ridiculous notion that the Maoists are out to turn Nepal into a one party communist state and thus everything they do is a way for them to achieve this goal. Maybe deep down that is Prachanda’s intention but like B has pointed out their actions subsequent to attaining power has not shown such an inclination. You need to move beyond this childish fantasy and maybe start writing about some of the legitimate issues. For example, Prachanda says the right things about returning seized property but not enough action has been taken. I am told some progress is being made but the rate is slow.
The integration of the army is also another issue that is fairly complex. It is not, has your posts says, just about giving ‘them a hearty meal and a bonus’.Until you grow up, Blogdai I think we should hold off on really discussing these matters
Bhudai
then prachanda has in fact learned a thing or two about clinging to power and ideology: give cheap lip service to returning seized property and keep the hounds of justice and fairness at bay. Talk is always enough when one is prime minister of a country that cares nothing for accountability and actual performance.
slap yourself, bhudai
-=BD
Blogdai, I think I am actually going to start calling you Blog-balak because of your apparent under developed pre-adolescent attitude and brain. Unfortunately, because of the army integration issue, Prachanda’s foreign trips and the festivals this issue hasn’t had a chance to come to the forefront in the CA. Even the NC are now shifting all their criticism and attention to army integration which is dominating the playing field. Take a chill pill. I like how you ignore all of B and my comments and focus on one point. I have to say that you are holding the Maoists to a much higher level than any of the past KTM regimes. When have we EVER had anyone who cared about accountability and performance? Give the Maoists credit. They have made some good and positive changes at the ministerial level like limiting the number of functions these ministers can attend etc. They have introduced other changes which put pressure on ministries to do their job. It’s probably not a perfect system but I guarantee you such measures are unprecedented in the history of Nepal. This is the first time there is a leader that has a college degree.
Look Blgodai, basically I think you are just frustrated and pissed off because your predictions that the Maoists would never come to power, that they would do these drastic radical things, that everyone would become nostalgic for the Monachy, that the Maoists would not be able to form a government, etc. etc. HAVE ALL TURNED out to be WRONG. You even dwell on the elections not being free and fair – man even the NC doesn’t bring this up! You just can’t stomach that I am calling you out! And like a little boy you are sulking and whining and latching on to one or two points.
Bhudai
Am not! Am not! Am not!
Let's see... I want to start a political movement in Nepal that has real meaning and is an attention getter.
Hmm. Who should I kill first?
-=BD
Alright, alright, ha!
Seriously though, The NC never bitches about elections because the NC never believed in them in the first place. Ten years girija put them off and only agreed under massive international pressure. Girija marginalized the elections because he thought he could just override any decisions and maintain his power. Remember his pathetic attempt to hold on to the Prime Ministership? Or is this not a point you feel I want to talk about? And by the way, B's comments were very supportive so not only do I not want to reiterate such support, but it leads me to wonder what the hell you are talking about?
Most importantly, how goddam dare you say "let's give the Maoists some credit?" Do you think the families of all those butchered at the hands of maoist thugs feel like giving the Maoists credit?
So, your saying Prachanda blows up a bus load of innocent civilians in order to claim his ultimate achievement of limiting the amount of functions ministers can attend? How monumental and groundbreaking for Nepal! If he'd only wiped Nepalganj or some other big town off the map, then we'd see some REAL progress, right?
Only a callous, ideologically bent Maoist sympathizer would conveniently gloss over a decade of Maoist murder. And for that, I "call you out" you little prick.
-=blogdai
Here we go again "Waaa waaaa waaaa". Look, fool let not discuss the Maoist insurgency because the accusations can fly both ways. The former RNA also murdered and tortured hundreds and thousands of innocent villagers. How conveniently you forget operation ‘Kilo Seirra’ authorized by Sher Badhur Deuba and Girija Koirala which allowed the Armed Police Force to go into villages and kill anyone they suspected of being a Maoist. Do you have any idea how many innocent men, women and children died in those raids? Ask any insurgency expert and they will tell you that single operation was a turning point for the insurgency. How conveniently you forget those atrocities, you self-consumed ignorant little jerk.
There are two options: let’s prosecute all those involved in the insurgency. But if that’s your choice – let’s be consistent! Let’s put all the former RNA generals, Girija Koirala, Sher Badhur Deuba, hell even your beloved King Gyanendra, Prachanda, Baburam and other PLA commanders on trial for crimes against humanity. Or Nepal has another option: we should establish a truth and reconciliation commission – a similar commission that was established in South Africa to deal with the atrocities committed by BOTH sides during the apartheid era. Such a reconciliation would provide a means for the country to heal and move on. But what’s the point of elevating the conversation with an immature, ill-informed, arrogant little boy?
Yes the Maoists are doing a much better job governing. They have managed to hold the coalition government together because they are politically more savy. It’s just eating you up inside isn’t it?
By the way your explanation about why the NC doesn’t bring up foul play in the elections does not make the slightest sense. If there was foul play and their cadres all over the country saw evidence of intimidation and irregularity why would they don’t complain? Regardless of whether they believe in election the elections happened! If they genuinely felt they were short changed why wouldn't they bring it up. Hell where were the other political parties? How come your hero, Kamal Thapa, didn't bring this up? Sure there were instances of irregularity by not just the Maoists but other political parties but the simple matter is that the elections were legitimate and the people OVERWELMINGLY voted for the Maoists. DEAL WITH IT!!!!!!!!
OK now bloody comrade Bhudai, it's the same old story, you accuse blogdai of not addressing your questions yet your insistent drumbeat continues, without rhyme or reason.
So, here comes the ususal pattern, but I'll add a twist at the end, saavy?
You keep hammering your one legged argument and I'll, once again, pin you down to providing one, just one, simple answer; at which time you'll huff, deny, accuse and threaten to never come back again (which you always do).
You have no evidence of "overwhelming support" for Maoists nor do you have any valide claim that the elections were "legitimate." UN monitors never left the Kathmandu valley. What we do have is a tripling of the population of Kathmandu over the last 10 years due to those displaced by Maoists. We can actually SEE and VERIFY these numbers. What we also have is a brutal history of Maoist murders for which we have photographs and PROOF that is readily available.
Truth and reconciliation commission? Nice. Do we see that anywhere on the books from this Maoist administration. Sure, it would be nice if it independent of Nepali politics and brought all persons to justice. But it's just an idea: or do you claim "overwhelming support" again for this?
Your "politically saavy" Maoists are about to lose their coalition if you read the news. Unilateralist proclamations of a "People's republic" can really draw together the parties, I'll say!
Here's your twist--and I'm sure my readership will applaud this--Prove how NC or other any other political parties nonsense or "irregularities" falls into the same category as mass murder. It is not at all creative to try and neatly envelope murder in with poilitical shenanigans, yet you try.
You don't learn, you don't adapt, you can't reason beyond your biases. Therefore, you don't get back on here until you can adequately explain why you want to give the Maoists a free pass on a decade of overt and brutal murder.
I stand ready to erase you.
-=blogdeletebutton
I would just like to say that Mr. Bhuday is correct to say what about all crimes which were committed by the royal nepal army as well as politians. i think mr. blogdai is very one sided in his opinion. also on topic of the elections. i heard of some instances where Maoist and UML activists harassing some people. however in my city of pokorah there were no problems at all.
"Prove how NC or other any other political parties nonsense or "irregularities" falls into the same category as mass murder."
The NC authorized and orchastrated an ill concieved, irresponsible operation that allowed the Nepal Armed Police Force to go into villages and kill anyone suspected of being a Maoist. Does that not amount to mass murder by the state? May I remind the readership here (and by readership I mean the 4 other people that come here from time to time) that thousands of innocent people died as a result of Operation Kilo Sierra.
"Truth and reconciliation commission? Nice. Do we see that anywhere on the books from this Maoist administration."
No we do not. But if Nepal is to move on, such a commission would be the best way to move the country forward. It's not about giving the Maoist a free pass. It's about being practical and trying to re-build this country and moving forward. And we can't re-build the country if we just latch on to the Maoists' past.
Look, Blogdai is making one point here, breathtakingly simple: Is murder an acceptable means towards power in Nepal? All parties who kill should be brought into account for their killings, be it army, King or Maoist. It is unclear as to how one can envision this to be a one sided stance on the part of our beloved blogmaster. What, pray tell would be considered as balanced reporting? Should Blogdai discuss the merits of political killings? Sadly, this has been covered by this Bhudai character, who obviously wields and iron agenda. It's almost chilling how this person touts the Maoists' meaningless procedural victories in government while casually brushing aside decades of brutality and thousands of innocents killed at the hand of Maoists.
Absolutely lost, ye be.
By refusing to "latch on to" Maoism's brutal past, we give it a free pass. Without permanently addressing Maoist atrocities (and others) we've told the Maoist's they can simply go back to the jungle and start killing again if they don't get their way.
Look, without accountability there is no credibility. Easy.
Any and every decision made by a maoist in government will be measured against their potential to force the issue through violence. You've just said that the rule of law is meaningless; and by extension, democracy is meaningless. I guess that's your clearest statement of advocacy for a People's Republic yet.
Your Kilo Sierra example misses the mark completely. KS was a one year operation limited to 18 districts. It was not fought as a coercive guerilla insurgency like Maoism, but AGAINST such an insurgency. It did not set out to kill innocent civilians traveling in buses or drill holes in pregnant women as was the modus operandii of Prachanda. KS was launched as an attempt to stop an armed and violent group--not civilians--from further destroying Nepal's infrastructure and setting up a parallel government. Police idiocy and excesses contributed to the tragedy, sure, and those people should be held accountable. Yet were it not for those brave Maoist boys' ability to dissolve into village life at the first sign of trouble--effectively using villagers as human shields--the outcome and the tragic loss of human life just may have been reduced. AGAIN, be reminded that KS was a campaign against an armed and dangerous insurgency and it's attempted takeover of a sovereign nation through the establishment of a parallel government. At what point would you deem it acceptable for a national government to defend its sovereignty if not during that time?
You still did not answer the question. Perhaps I'll simplify it further: What moral, ethical or political compass guides you to ignore a political party that has built its majority on murder?
-=blogdai
Spot on, blog dummy. You are generally a pain in the arse as you make me uncomfortable with some of your opinions, but on this topic, you've touched the core issue.
Must all lasting political decisions in Nepal be worthless without the threat of terror? Must all political clout be built on a foundation of terror?
From: Arnish (Phil)
The so-called-closet commies who bask in US but have tow pence of words of the un-wise are the crux of the problem.
How can they equate RNA with Maoist and their 10 years of mayhem and brutal killing? Hoe can they speak of election being fair on the basis that even NC does not talk about it? Mother of scums are so easily swayed by the gleam they see on their computers or write-ups from a distant. Notwithstanding their play with words- they are dead wrong.
But first do not even give any critical analysis of Nepal anymore-you do not have any stake anymore. And if you really want to polish off your english do it at National Review.
Oncewasnepali
Maoist atrocities cannot be forgotten just like that! However, the atrocities committed by the state must also be dealt with in an appropriate way. There were atrocities committed by the Maoists, but by the same token the RNA also abused its powers in more ways than one. The state should be held to a higher moral standard and so we must be cautious before we trivialize the abuse of power with which the former RNA soldiers as well as their commanding officers often acted. To use the argument that the RNA were fighting on behalf of the state so they are at immunity or do not have to face the repercussions of their actions is misguided. We are critical of the way Russians soldiers behaved during the ‘insurgency’ in Chechnya, we are critical of the way the Chinese soldiers / government officials handle various separatist groups, etc. so we must be consistent in our approach in looking at our own circumstances. By this very logic, even torture can be condoned so long as it’s perpetrated by soldiers who are on the right side of the war?
Additionally, to subscribe to a simple black and white, good verses evil viewpoint on the insurgency would be foolish, overly simplistic and it would overlook the vast complexities of Nepal’s socio-political history. From a purely ideological standpoint, the Maoists’ ideology has a legitimate grounding. It is of course another thing that they went about achieving their agenda through violence and other condemnable acts. But to insist that they Maoists have only built their political agenda on Murder and violence is not true.
So to get down to the nitty gritty of the situation, what is Nepal to do given where we are today? Should we bring Prachanda, the top brass of the PLA as well as other lower level soldiers to trial? It is fine to sit anonymously sit behind a computer screen and proclaim that the Maoists have no legitimacy. However, the reality on the ground is different. The point is that the Maoists have entered mainstream politics. They didn’t take over in a military coup – they were bought in by the political establishment and let’s not forget they have contested in elections. While the validity may be questionable to some (and by some I mean Blogdai and a handful of his minions), for the large part the international community, the UN, the Nepalese media, other political establishments, the EC Commission have not raised any objection to its legitimacy. Now are we to accept their assessment or the assessment of an anonymous, elusive, questionable and dubious blogger? I leave that for the so-called ‘readership’ to decide.
Finally, in light of the recent political developments, Nepal does need to find a way to deal with what has happened in the past. I agree that you cannot just sweep 10 years of civil war under the rug and pretend it never happened. One way would be to establish a truth and reconciliation commission, which has actually been proposed by several prominent leaders. Additionally, there needs to be some kind of commission to deal with the thousands of people who ‘disappeared’ at the hands of both the Maoists and the RNA. The point is, we need to move forward. How else would this insurgency have ended. By the very logic, proposed by Blogdai there should never be truce, peace or reconciliation. So countries like Sri Lanka should forever be engaged in a never ending civil war. Because what if tomorrow the Tamil Tigers want a peace deal? Should the Sri Lankans say ‘we can’t accept a movement based on violence and muder so we need to fight till we wipe you all out’?. If we applied the same logic, there would no end to the violence in Northern Ireland or other parts of the world where similar circumstances have persisted.
So I pled with you, Blogdai (even though you have absolutely no sphere of influence and the opinions you express in this blog are inconsequential as it gets) as a citizen or a well-wisher of Nepal direct your energy into more constructive and practical use. There are lots of areas where the Maoists need to be kept in check. Focus on those instead of continually questioning and doubting their legitimacy and right to exist. Take a peek outside your window or step outside your cave -it’s too late for that!
Do you just not read or comprehend a thing on this thread?
Do I not explicitly state that police and all that abuse power must be brought to justice? Didn't read the Kilo Sierra thread, did you? Also, you didn't read the anon thread that said all parties must be brought to justice, did you. Jeez, I must have forgotten to censor that one. No, it was left there because it was a fair sentiment that I agree with.
Hmm. truth and reconcilliation would be nice, I said, so I can see how it could obviously be interpereted as "by the very logic proposed by blogdai, there should never be truth peace or reconcilliation."
And if the Maoists did not build their party or murder, what, pray tell then, is their political platform for governance? What is the sweepingly fresh mandate that propelled Prachanda to power then, if not intimidation? Peace and unity of the parties? Just great! When does that start? The only thing that comes close to a plan for the future is the rabid insistence that a "people's republic" in all it's outdated ideological glory be established.
Once again, you have gone nowhere. Willfull misinterperetation of the simple logic presented here smacks of adherence to the mind-numbing adherence to a failed ideological dogma. Maoism perhaps?
You can't argue, you can't accept any points other than your own, and you can't compromise. So be it.
SO, in the spirit of "change we can believe in" my comments here will be deleted in a few days as they will be irrelevant. Why? bhudai and his ridiculous drumbeat technique of "I didn't say that, blogdai said that" shall be permanently deleted and banished to the primary school play yard where it originates: I'm sure you'll get a full hearing there.
Take a hike, once and for all, you self-deceived cretin.
-=blogdai
As a neutral observer I will not say with whose view point I side with. I just like to come and read. However, I do not agree with the Blogmaster's threat to a blogger that he will delete his comments should he decide to post here. I do not agree with everything Mr. Bhudai says but he defiantly has some very good points which are articulated very well and certainly deserves to be put out there for people to read and judge for themselves. To block bloggers with whom a blogmaster disagrees with is against the very sprit of the concept of blogging. It should not be up to the Blogmaster to censor any comment. Of course it is perfectly acceptable to remove comments which are unnecessarily inflammatory or is posted as a joke. I realize it is this so called Blogdai’s blog, however, if that is the policy of this blog, it should be stipulated clearly.
I surf many blogs and this one isn’t one of the most popular ones but the author certainly has interesting view points. However, today I have been turned off by this comment:
“SO, in the spirit of "change we can believe in" my comments here will be deleted in a few days as they will be irrelevant. Why? bhudai and his ridiculous drumbeat technique of "I didn't say that, blogdai said that" shall be permanently deleted and banished to the primary school play yard where it originates: I'm sure you'll get a full hearing there.”
Waaa waaaa waaaa waaaa hahahahah you pathetic looser. You are so much like a little pre-adolecent boy/girl. You cannot argue back, you cannot win on the points who what do you do? banish me!!! hahaha you know the Maoists should hire you as the Minister of Communication!!!!
I know this comment won't get posted but I felt the need to taunt you! YOU SUCK. YOUr BLOG IS A PIECE OF CRAP. Look how many people come here and discuss besides myself. Have you seen your latest blog? It has two worthless comments. But they don't challenge you so I am sure you are drooling all over yourself with excitement.
Heck if you let me post I would destroy all your points and make you look like a FOOL! But you can't handel that.
Why do you bother deleting comments? WHO THE HELL COMES HERE to give a rats' ass? And you call me self-deceptive? hahahahahahaha HOW PATHETIC. I'LL DEBATE YOU TO THE GROUND! because all the argument you have sounds like this " blah blah blah waaa waaa waaa"
You bait to easily.
Try cooling down with another boycot(t)
-=BD
Many were wondering when the actual pathology of this Bhudai person would emerge. A few challenges and threats from our dear blog dai and voila! A masterstroke! The beast is exposed!
Not necessarily, anon.
Bhudai always starts somewhat rational, works himself into partisan foam, and then goes and pouts for a period of time.
He'll be back, I'm afraid, as always, and we will all have to suffer through his usual, predictable behavioral arc once again.
-=BD
i think Nepal army is most prestigious institution . mixing Maoist army is just solution for it , because they are political influence army . so this message to our planners of our country please make some alternative solution for rehabilitation of those army in various form like Boarder security guard , Industrial security guard, forest and wild protection security guard.
hope it can be right decision to our planner of our nation
These are good ideas you bring.
Unfortunately, no one is "planning" our nation right now.
-=BD
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