Friday, April 21, 2006

Invitation #3

Well, ok. How can anything be more clear? The King has handed over control of the government to the Alliance. Just name a PM and off you go. Easy right? Well, wrong.

In what has become the most predictable pattern of this entire conflict, cadres are taking to the streets denouncing the King's offer. "Too little too late" is their cry.

Having your demands met is too little? It's now too late for your street protests to have any positive outcome? Are you saying that you will now only settle for the complete destruction of Nepal? I thought this whole thing was about "restoring democracy." Well, now it's being restored and you don't want it?

What we're seeing is mob rule taking over. Protests were never about democracy. Koirala knows nothing but protests and mobilization; having honed his craft in his educational years in Bihar. He knows that any and every issue possible must be used to get mobs moving. One has to broaden the anger by broadening the issues in order to get the kind of street turn-out that Koirala has been getting. Perhaps it is too late. Too late for mob sanity. And do you think these protests will stop anytime soon? The King gave in to protests. The mob got a small victory. There are now thousands of young protesters believing that "democracy" works only through disruption. Shout long and loud enough and eventually you will get your way. Let's call it "Brat Democracy."

blogdai thinks the King might have been better served by offering this forward thinking proposal as an example: Make a nationwide announcement. State that the seven parties and the maoists are invited for talks anywhere and anytime. All issues and concerns of all parties will be discussed. In fact, we will discuss turning over the government to the people under terms you all agree upon. This includes a constituent assembly. But as long as protestors are in the streets breaking things, we will not budge. Stop the protests or there will be no progress. So, SPAM it is up to you. You wanna' talk or you wanna fight?

But these types of examples shouldn't be necessary. Even the most dull-witted SPAM stone thrower can see that the Kings gesture is a concession. He is opening up the lines of dialogue. Idiots like Sushil Koirala bristle at the fact that G. has not addressed every little concern with his offer. NC-D calls the whole thing a ploy. Well SPAM, when a door like this is left open, you shouldn't complain about whether it swings to the left or right.

I get a lot of frenzied little-boys posting here demanding the King meet all their needs before they will talk. How pathetic. A mature politician interested in dialogue would take the King's invitation and build on it. The King has created an opportunity. Responsible leaders would capitalize on it and begin dialogue.

So all of this seems obvious to us, right? Why would those seeking to run the country not want peace and dialogue? Because they want absolute power, period. They know that democratic dialogue leads to democratic compromise; and compromise leads to a potential loss of power. SPAM will have none of it. Do we ever stop to wonder why there was never one request for dialogue originating out of the SPAM camp? Plus, those taking to the streets do not represent all of Nepal. Shouldn't any potential leaders seek to heal National wounds in the spirit of unity? Isn't dialogue the chief means of identifying these wounds? Not in SPAM's thinking. This is all about their power grab, nothing else. These guys cannot and will not live peacefully as long as the current constitution and the ground realities of Nepal call for a royal presence. They want it all and they want it now!
When will it become clear to us that SPAM does not want dialogue? And why should they? When you have idiots in the world community and Prachanda's own ambassador: James Moriarity, keeping your momentum alive, why stop for a little inconvenience like democratic dialogue?

SPAM has done nothing throughout this entire conflict that has demonstrated a desire to represent the rights of all citizens or to conduct themselves democratically. And yet, since the King's takeover last year, the lazy media have kept up the drumbeat of "democracy in Nepal is being repressed" to the point that now even Maoists are looked apont as symbols of democratic struggle.

And three cheers to those blood-stained Maobadis! They've manage to ascend to the heights of power by using SPA as temporary soldiers on the streets of Kathmandu. Funny, during their back-door rise, did we even once hear that the maoists would accept SPAM ideals? How about give up violence? No, I didn't think so.

SPAM has blood in their eye right now. Their refusal of the King's gesture will mean they are bent on absolute rule--most likely with the Maoists at the helm.

So everyone, stay tuned for "INVITATION #4." which blogdai predicts will take the following form: An exasperated King addresses each concern and need of the SPAM alliance and agrees to a constituent assembly. This will be followed immediately by SPAM calling the whole thing a ploy and demanding a fresh round of protests.

Do we "get it" yet? Or are we too stupid, numb or obsessed with the use of the word "democracy" to know what is going on?



At 2:49 PM, April 21, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rule #1...Girija wants to replace one king with another....guess who!

Rule #2...the maoists have been much more involved than we thought and now they want their share.

Rule #3...the 12 point agreement is going to fail as the SPA will not be able to meet the demands of the Maoists.

Rule #4...this is a classic example of PEOPLE POWER...let's give them credit where credit is due...they know that what Girija and the other SPA leaders have to offer is nothing but the same old same!

Rule #4...The King is a pretty damn good chess player.

Rule #5...the international community has HAILED the Kings return of power to the let the international community vent their rage/rath on the SPA....Moriarity...where are you when we need you??

Rule #6 (most important)....This is NEPAL....nothing is ever really over.

At 2:55 PM, April 21, 2006, Anonymous Thorne said...

They are claiming who is Raja to give us our 'naso' back. They are screaming in the streets Raja has no rights to invite someone to lead the interim government. They are saying Raja didn't address the issue about Maobadis and the neither did he utter anything about Constitutional Assembly thing. And they are warning leaders against any dialogue with Raja.

Good points, next one please.

I support democracy. I support THE democracy without King and his bhardars, but that doesn't mean that I want to use their heads as a football. They want to march right into the Narayanhiti and proclaim the true victory. Yes forget about democracy, forget about people's right, the main agenda right now is to establish a 'people's' republic right ?

Why are they so scared of the King ? Yes he is playing games maybe, or maybe he is just gambling for the time, but don't they understand once they have their own government then they can call for Constitutional Assembly election and let people decide for his fate in a proper manner ? Why do they always believe in bloody revolution.

Where are our friends Maobadis right now ? Yes you leaders you have managed to bring them in the political mainstream. Now be prepared to take their place in the jungles.

At 6:21 PM, April 21, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

anon, good analysis. You sound like a thinker and a disciple of Thomas Marks. Bravo.

Thorne, dammit, that is a good democratic sense of compromise and I salute you, sir.

Yes, yes. Why don't the Parties start the dialogue, find the differences and let the people decide through ELECTIONS.

You know why? Because SPAM has no feel for the democratic process. They only see a loss of power should they leave decisions up to the people.

Thorne, I feel you and I disagree on many fundamental issues in Nepal, but i would support you should you run for office.

Attn SPAM: that's called democracy.


At 6:25 PM, April 21, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...


How true, anon. Look how SPAM used this concept to stir up 200 year old resentments against long-deposed regimes. They banked on an old simmering desire to get even with the royals of the past to bring people to the streets. It worked. They cleverly evolved their "absolute democracy" movement into a referendum against all forms of monarchy in Nepal: Using g. as a symbol of Rana and Panchayat oppression.


At 7:27 PM, April 21, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

King's speech is just vague. He is using the same article in constitution that he used to reinstate Deuba last time. So he may dismiss the Government again. Thus this is unacceptable.

If SPA agrees to King's offer right now, the biggest winner will be the Maoist. Most Nepalis are pissed with the King right now. If Parties agree with the King, the parties will lose their support and Maoist will gain. So SPA should not agree and continue the fight.

At 11:12 PM, April 21, 2006, Anonymous g said...

kings played his move.

alright. you want democracy. you got it . chose a leader. if he can lead , let him lead. let us see whos is gonna be the prime minister. spam. they really dont know what they are into . do they?

well. i will sit back and listen. see actually. lets see where democracy leads us.

sorry nepal

At 11:17 PM, April 21, 2006, Anonymous g said...

with tears in my eyes
i smile at my nepal
love you, i always did
love you i will still'
whatever happens
what ever goes
you are my love
my soul knows
blood bloody blood alll yours

At 1:48 AM, April 22, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The offer by the king is a (not so?) clever, Indian backed ploy (note the immediate Indian approval).

So why won't the SPA accept this offer? Because the pre-Feb 1st 2005 status quo will remain. Gyane has the power to dispense with the PM in a manner which plagued (and paralysed) Pakistani politics during the 90's. This needs to change and there is sufficient momentum to get it changed. However the change should allow the king to sack the PM/government only with Supreme Court approval. Otherwise, if the clause is removed altogther there will be no accountability and, in essence, give the PM free reign to do whatever s/he chooses (in a Nawaz Sharif-esque manner).

At 2:02 AM, April 22, 2006, Anonymous Brit said...

I have just returned from Kathmandu.
The large numbers on the streets do not represent support for the demonstrations but many are there for fear of reprisals - on Wednesday there was a demand that each household supply one person for street demonstrations on Thursday. Theose who complied were more afraid of the people behind the demonstrations than they were afraid of the police.

Similarly people were afraid to open their shops or take their vehicles onto the roads during the 'general strike' for fear of the 'consequences' - several vehicles were burned. Transport was only possible by the brave on cycles, motorcycles and on foot, and generally only early in the morning or late at night.

During the curfew on Thursday some individuals were going about their business on foot without the police making any interference. The only evidence I have seen of police 'violence' is in the face of greater numbers of stone throwers.

Regarding the SPA politicians - I believe they are totally out of control of this situation. Having thrown in their lot (sold their souls?) to the Maobaddy, the tactics now being used are of general enforcement of the mob will on the people. This is much further from true democracy than probably the country has ever been in its history.
The next problem is that many of the active, and particularly the violent demonstrators openly admit they are being paid to behave in this way. They will presumably follow anyone who pays them - do the SPA politicians think they will have any loyalty even if they do get all their 'demands'? - They have unleashed a monster and they have no skills in management. This is opening the door to anyone with half a brain and grim determination to sweep them away

At 2:09 AM, April 22, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Today, the main desire of most Nepalis is to have democracy, peace, prosperity, social upliftment and an independent and sovereign Nepal. Toward that end, we fully agree that the main obstacle is an autocratic monarchy. Without an end to the autocratic monarchy and establishment of complete democracy we are clear that there will be no peace, progress and prosperity in the country. Therefore, we have reached an agreement that all forces against autocratic monarchy will step up their movement to end the autocratic monarchy and establish complete democracy.

The agitating seven political parties are fully committed to the plan to reinstate parliament whose decision will lead to the formation of an all-party government, hold talks with the Maoists and go for an election to a constituent assembly. They identify this as the way to end the present conflict and restore sovereignty to the people. The Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) has made the commitment to organise a national political convention of democratic forces. The meet should decide on the formation of an interim government and hold elections for a constituent assembly to achieve the agreed goal. The seven political parties and the CPN (Maoist) will engage in dialogue and explore a consensus on procedural matters. It has been agreed that People’s power is the only alternative to meet the goals.

At 6:23 AM, April 22, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The demonstrations turned violent in several places in Kathmandu and its suburb Patan. In some instances, groups of young men
destroyed public and private property, attempted to set fire to government buildings, and attacked police with stones and bottles. Police initially exercised restraint, but by the third and fourth day of the protests police fired indiscriminately into crowds or at specific curfew violators. At least 16 people were killed, including several innocent bystanders."

Sounds like a paragraph from yesterday's newspaper? WRONG. This is from the 1993 Nepal Human Rights Report. Girija at the helm, communists on the streets. So protesters are fired upon in "democracies" too, right? Or, as the SPAM obsessively says about everything, wat it the palace's ploy?

The king has opened the door for dialogue after taking a hard line for much longer than he should have. With such a huge people power behind them, now it should be up to the "leaders" to take charge of governance and, if necessary, "snatch" concessions from the king. With thousands of people behind them, the leaders can use the mob as a bargaining chip and the king has very little choice but to comply.

But wait, I am talking about leaders here. These buffoons lack the vision, leadership abilities and competence to build on something smaller than what they may eventually want. The result...more mobbery and suffering for the people. But wait, this is for democracy so anything goes, right!

At 6:29 AM, April 22, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

"unacceptable?" "indian backed ploy?"

Are you anon's nuts?

What are you afraid of? Just sit down and talk with the man and stop with the insipid cross-analysis.

Sounds like you are just making up excuses so you can keep throwing rocks.

What is "unacceptable" and a "ploy" is the constant cycle of violence perpetuated by idiots who don't know a peace offer when they see one.


At 6:34 AM, April 22, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

2:09, how dare you pretend to speak for "most Nepalis." How do you know what you "fully agree on?"

You also must be absolutely nuts to believe the Maoists will commit to any democratic anything.

Brainwashed fool.


At 7:35 AM, April 22, 2006, Anonymous rana shah said...

You do know anon 2.09 has posted the first two points of the 12 point SPA-M MoU...

At 8:03 AM, April 22, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Which will be absolutely worthless once G. gives over power.

No, I didn't catch that, nice job.


At 8:06 AM, April 22, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The king's offer was a clear ploy to appease the Nepali population at large. I think the motivation behind asking them to nominate a PM was also to create a split and infighting among the 7PA. And all this after Karan Singh delivering Manmohan's letter and Karan then announcing that the king will make an announcement soon? C'mon, the Indians clearly suggested something.

The unification of the 7PA demonstrates their belief that they have the momentum to achieve more and significant concessions from the king. Also, Deuba's comment that it was under article 35 of the constitution that Gyane appointed him before later firing him under another clause demonstrates the main reason for not accepting the king's offer. The earlier anon's comparison with 90's Pakistan is right on the money. A king with this much power who is prepared to use it often is a king who is clearly a destabilising force.

At 8:12 AM, April 22, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

I do tend to agree with most of your points. But I think the "ploy" aspect was more to get the busybody know-it-all Western pundits and human rights watchers off his back.

But we are comparing the lesser of two evils here when we talk of destabilizing forces. The former government accomplished nothing, nada, zilch in the way of containing Maoism. Something had to be done. Sadly, G. couldn't get it done in his short one year attempt.

perhaps if we gave him 10 like the former government had.....


At 8:32 AM, April 22, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whether we agree or disagree that the king didn't have enough time or that the parties didn't do enough in the previous decade is pretty irrelevant given the ground realities of the current situation.

Gyane needs to address the 7PA directly. Making non-specific offers of talks or nominating a PM are not going to cut it. If I was Gyane in the current situation I'd accept that the game is up. If he wants to salvage some sort of respect he needs to face up to the fact that constitution needs to change. Maybe he could invite the leaders of the 7PA to form a government and also a constituent assembly on the proviso they keep the Nepali monarchy as head of state with very limited powers. With such a tactic he'd also be able to show the flaws in the 7PA more clearly because I think all the talk of the constituent assembly has left a lot to be desired in terms of how what kind of new constitution that assembly would draw up.

At 9:44 AM, April 22, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

I just don't get it.

Why do you and others like you feel the need to jump to conclusions and have G. just see some reality that may or may not exist?

Address the parties directly? Well, yes, isn't that what talks will do? No diplomat, politician or sane person would address concerns in a public forum. Can you imagine if every negotiating point were made public to a mob that is hanging on for any word that will fire them up again?

Really, the disconnect I'm getting from some of you posters is discouraging.

On your other points, what kind of safety valve against absolute corruption would exist if the King's powers were limited through changing the consitution? Our boys Koirala and Deuba would have no checks and balances. The Lauda Air scandal would look like a charity picnic if royal oversight were written out of the constitution. As it stands, K.P. Bhattari has it right: Keep the constituion and ignore constituent assembly.

You are out of bounds if you think any constituent assembly will be unified enough to change anything. Blogdai loves the idea of such an assembly, but unless it is independently monitored, the Maoists will fill all the rural seats with their own boys and thereby get a stranglehold on government. That's why they love the idea so much.


At 9:46 AM, April 22, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's face it folks. The Game is Up. This has gone beyond a fight for a 'real' democracy and has now become the urban battle that the Maoists have long planned for. The citizens of KTM and PKR can continue to believe that they are fighting for democracy...and people power but in reality....from the moment the king made his statement the Maoists had won....not the SPA...but then the SPA is so old and delusional that their brain cells just aren't working correctly.

It's the MAOISTS STUPID.....they are the only victors in this exercise.....and before long...WE ALL will be paying the price.

At 11:13 AM, April 22, 2006, Anonymous shiva said...

I hope everyone agrees that things are getting dangerously out of hand. The King has stepped down. Yes, he has given up his absolute rule. He has handed over power to the people. But still, the SPA is not content. Could it be that they are not in control anymore? Could it be that someone else is running the show?

Word is that some of the mainstream politicians were not allowed to speak during the protests in various parts of the country. I heard with my own ears, protestors chanting slogans against Girija. I got an SMS last night saying that Girija and the mainstream politicians should not be allowed to grab power this time.

Clearly, the Maosists are in control here.

That they have not used guns and bombs is commendable. But how long will that be? Right now they have about 100,000 people running amok on the streets on their behalf. But how long can this anarchy last? What then?

I am sorry to say this, but most of the people that are out on the streets don't seem to understand the gravity of what they are asking for. Without a King this nation is doomed. At least for the foreseeable future. I say this only because I see not a single politician who can stablilize this chaos that we are witnessing right now. There is not a single one of them who has the courage and wit to contain 100,000 mobsters running amok on the streets. That is why they could not come to any consensus today. They are scared. Period. So, until the situation stabilizes some, they are not willing to take the helm.

With such leaders at hand, what do you think will hapen if the mob reaches the palace, and by some miracle, the army stands aside and the King leaves Nepal? Who will step up and drive this train that is hurling down the mountain side? Who will contain the ethnic groups who have already started to demand autonomous states throughout Nepal?

And all this, even when the world has wholeheartedly welcomed the King's speech last night. I see comments here that are pointing towards the Indians crafting this. Well, yes they are. If there is one thing that we learnt from the one-year direct rule of the King, it is that we cannot go against India. It is a sad fact, but yes, we are completely dependent on them. So what is wrong that they are stepping into our domain now, to avoid a communist regime from taking over this nation--which will have implications for the stability of the entire South Asian region? The SPA has always depended on the support of India. Why are they bitching now that India, for a change, is not agreeing to all they want? Could it be that they are smarter than you fools, who have trapped yourselves in the pit that you dug for yourselves through the SPAM 12-point agreement?

As far as I can see, it is clear what must be done. If you continue this insane protests you are inviting more bloodshed and an eventual communist Nepal--Once you get though with the King (which will mean a lot of bloodshed) the Maoists will have your head for brakfast. Or, you can accept the King's offer, get your acts together and form an interim government. Constituent assembly and all other demands you have can then be addressed through dialogue and consensus with the remaining 22.9 million Nepalis. The world is watching us now. The King is not going to have the priviledge of using Article 125 to kick out this new PM with the world watching him and the shit we have just been through. This is just an excuse the SPA are using at the moment. The truth is that these protests have gone way out of hand and every bloody gut less leader is afraid to take the wheels...God help us all.

At 12:06 PM, April 22, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blogdai you say no politician would address concerns in a public forum but you seem to ignore the Pakistani General-President Pervez Musharraf who has been using this tactic and has even managed to get Manmohan Singh in on the act recently.

Also, an anon mentioned previously that the king should have the ability to sack the PM/government but only with Supreme Court approval. I'd go for that as the limit of the king's power. In addition the no-trust motion would still exist and I'd expect a Public Account Committee or similar body to be in place too. And failing that we can rely on the opposition, who, in part, forced Koirala's resignation.

However you seem to have missed my points about the constituent assembly. I DON'T think there is enough unification among the 7PA to build a consensus. I expect them to be reduced to petty politicking. And I never said, nor do I endorse, Maoist involvement in the constituent assembly unless there has been independently verified disarmament among the Maoists.

At 1:19 PM, April 22, 2006, Anonymous Vladimir said...

If somebody as incorrigibly dumb as CNN's Satinder Bindra can see that the Maoists have infiltrated the protests (which is quite an understatement), I wonder where all those clamouring for "absolute democracy" stand in the IQ charts. I'm sorry to say this, but you - Messrs Koirala, Nepal, and Deuba, along with your damned cronies - have fucked yourselves royally (no pun intended) and fucked us all into the bargain. Short of concerted diplomatic pressure to get these nincompoops to see the light of day and accept the King's proposal, I see nothing coming out of this but HAVOC. And I don't see much happening even if they do -- been there, done that, or haven't we?

And thank you very much all ye myopic ideologues of every creed and persuasion, and ye dumb fucks from the South and from the West with your democratic-than-thou bullcrap. A pleasant little party we're all going to have now. How the fucking pigs played you all, you sons-of-fucking-bitches.

Pardon my language. Vladimir pissed.

At 3:11 PM, April 22, 2006, Anonymous Brit said...

Shiva - there may be 100,000 on the streets but I would guess that only a minority (but maybe a large minority)are paid up mobsters. Many people were effectively forced out under threat and would rather risk confrontation with the police etc. (see my earlier posting).

The maoists no longer need to use guns and bombs - they have got the population by the throat with threats of 'consequences'.

While in Kathmandu during the past two weeks I did not hear a good word from anybody about the politicians. When I commented to a Nepali that the politicians were stupid I got the instant reply "maximum stupid".

The current situation in Nepal closely resembles that of Eastern European countries during communist rule where fear of not following the whim of the ruling dictator was endemic. Someone (or more than one) must see that the maoists do not get their grubby hands on the government or Nepal is in for a very hard time indeed, and, as I said earlier, there will be less democracy than ever.

At 3:57 PM, April 22, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Most of you SPAM members are dumb fucks. Get the crowd in your control and get your demands met. Bullshitter you all are asking for a new constituion but for fuck's sake you can't come to a single conclusion of what you want. RNA can't shoot at sight at it's own population and this does not mean that your mobs will run haywire. Get your act straight or the next thing you are going to see is that the SPAM is going have it really bad. Believe you me, there is the other 50% of the country against the SPAM and it can turn the tides wit RNA on it's side.

At 6:37 PM, April 22, 2006, Anonymous thorne said...

Granted US, EU, UN, Canada, India don't have a clear picture of Nepal. Granted they're just relieved to see something 'positive' happening in Nepal which actually wasn't the public sentiment. Granted everything is masterminded by India with the help of CIA ofcourse. yada..yada..yada !

Oh puhleese, give me a break. Who are you kidding SPA. Why are you so scared to let people know that your new found buddies Maoists got you by your balls. Ofcourse you are drooling allover when you heard the prospect of having that Kurshi back again. But no, you can't accept the offer this time even though you know that it 'might' be a genuine offer afterall. What are they doing to you, I feel sorry for you guys sometimes.

What was there in 12 pact agreement, we will never know. But we will know one thing for sure, you can't dare to betray your new found friends. So what was the deal ? Constituent Assembly election ? Please be honest, do you really believe in that, SPA ? Do you think you can go for it now when you know it very well that you don't even have any representation in more than 30 districts of Nepal ? Are you really going to take that chance? What happens when Maoists will win the majority in Constituent Assembly election, which is inevitable as you are not armed but they ARE. ohh ofcourse you can cut a deal again, but what about other half of Nepal who can't accept Mao Communists ?

It is funny. And it is sad. You see people in street without a knowledge what they want. They know that they want King out, but nobody got a clue HOW. Somebody said today that how the fuck police dared to charge baton at them when Raja already handed over the power yesterday. Yes he handed it over, but apparently SPA doesn't want it. And we can j ust wonder why. You want war, go for war , but for fuck sake don't bring it to my backyard !

At 1:18 AM, April 23, 2006, Anonymous g said...

i want this thing to end.

i dont want absolute monarchy and i dont want absolute democracy.

i want peace.

hey. is that some thing new i want?


shoot them all. a million dollar each for prachanda's and baburams head. SPAM leaders head for free.

a big change is gonna quench the blood thirst of the mobs. make that a good change. KG, spend a couple of your ill earned million dollars for the good of nepal.

dark. dark is the future for nepal. no light until the darkness is taken care of. a vast change . that is what nepal needs. blood. bad old blood. pour it down the country's throat.

mother needs her childrens blood to survive. let it be the bad children. let us good, lonely folks live our lone some lives.

and you mother fucking son of a bitch foreigners, keep your fucking mouth shut.

we got our own wounds to worry about without you sprinking salt on it.MOTHER FUckErS.

when you got a diseased appendige, do you hope for it to heal or do you fucking cut it off?

either way, you are fucked up.

change all those 'fuck' to 'mock' please.

At 2:26 AM, April 23, 2006, Anonymous Depressed said...

Definitely an interesting creature this "Absolute Democracy" thingy, that the SPAM&M thrusted down our throats. (may be I should say "sold to us" to be politically correct.)

How would one define that? May be anybody can do anything and everything that s/he wants to do? Vandalize, kill, go haywire, destruct, no respect for the rule of law and anything else except their own (pathetic) egos, vested interests and whims?

The way I understand Democracy, it isn't "Absolute" or "Relative". Its either "is" or "is not". Something like "alive", where all the various organs in a body have their "responsibilities" and "rights" to keep the body of a living being alive or dead (in lack of). And one thing, I think the politicians haven't gotten it quite well is its not a phase, or a point in a time. It's a "PROCESS". You can't suddenly come to the ralization that there is a thing called "democracy" whenever you find yourself out of power.

Sad but true, its there, deep down, right to the grassroots level.

When will we realize this! (sigh!), so that we are not taken adavantage of by the political elites.

Wholehearted support for the blogdai Alliance.

At 3:59 AM, April 23, 2006, Blogger Ian said...


I suspect that there is only one 'get of jail card' remaining for the King. If I were the King, I would advise him to declare his willingness to restate parliament and a constituent assembly if it is the will of the people.

I realise that if the SPA accept his offer they can do this any way but they are not going to accept his offer without gaining more concessions.

For me, the intentions of the SPA and the Maoists are more ambiguous than the King at this time but the King has no choice but too concede given the present political situation but in doing so he places ALL the responsibility on the SPA and Maoits to carry out their plans.

If they do so successfully -then credit where it is due (it has been 15 years in the making) but if they balls up then they must take responsibility for their actions which they have obviously failed to do in the past.

I fully respect the King for taking the responsibilities that he has done even though he is the 'unexpected king'. I think he failed in his goals but admire the fact that he has taken responsibility for his actions and stepped aside.

I have my doubts about whether the SPA/M have the balls to take responsibility for governing a country but for the sake of Nepal, I hope i am wrong.

At 4:28 AM, April 23, 2006, Blogger Ian said...

Whilst 0.0074%of the population protest what are the remaining 99.99259% of the population doing? This is based upon an estimate that 200,000 people are currently protesting with 100,000-300,000 people estimated to be protesting. So what is every one else doing?

The parties pay each protestor 300 NRS each day and provide 2 meals to those who attend the protest. Given the fact that the price of food has rocketed and most people can not afford to buy food stuff at present, at what point should the interest of 0.0074% of the population stop denying the people of their basic rights to food?

Maoist cadres have infiltrated the protests and are coercing people to protest and demanding that one member of each family attend the protest. For fear of reprisals, some people are attending the street protest.

This is not a revolution, this is anarchy and the sooner the SPA appoint a Prime Minister and restate Parliament with a constituent assembly as part of the deal –the sooner we can end this mindless, unecessary violence against the people of Nepal.

I am sure 99.99259% of the population would agree with me here. After all, surely the right to eat is more important than the right to protest against the King?


At 5:40 AM, April 23, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wished the international press in general had more about background of much more than ten years of maoism. And there is not very much information of motivation of people to adhere to maoism is there? I know how it went in Peru, they mixed indian values with mysticism and mao. Nepal does not need more destruction. Whatever KG has done for too long was motivated by an understanding of the anarchy we seem to be witnessing? Let parties agree on some management.

At 5:54 PM, April 23, 2006, Anonymous Srijan said...

Dear Blogdai,
Blog, blog, and more blog, yup that’s what I’ve been doing for the past fortnight or so and yeah I’m bored to death by now. Before this strike began I didn’t have the slightest of time to sit down and look back at my life, and now suddenly I have tons of it, and I don’t know what to do with it and hence this blog I guess.

Do I blog out of concern? I don’t know. Do I blog out of my apparent inability to do anything else? Probably. I haven’t taken an active participation in the protests until this point, but I think I should join in now, that’s not only because I’m tired of seeing this bullshit of a government make mockery of people’s wishes, but more importantly I’ve got nothing else to do. I, for one, think the political leaders should answer the king’s call and well, form a government. But they ain’t going to do that, care to know why? It’s because of people like us, who are down in the streets not just for a change but because we’ve got nothing else to do. Make no mistake, the leaders aren’t afraid of people’s anger and neither do they respect our desire for change, we are the same morons that they’ve managed to fool for an umpteenth time in the past, what they’re afraid of is that if they call off the strike now and continue with their other means of protests, there will be no people in the streets, because unlike them we’ve got our lives to get on with. But we don’t understand that, do we?

Well I know what we understand. We understand the rallying call from those bastards asking us to destroy this country of ours; we understand the language of the mob hell bent on vandalizing everything that is in its sight. Hell, I support republicanism, I too want to see the end of monarchy, but that doesn’t mean I have to kick the livelihoods of millions of Nepalese. What I want is respect for democratic values, what I want is rule of law to prevail. But that’s not what this revolution has been bringing. What I am seeing in today’s Kathmandu (I’m not qualified to speak for the entire nation) is mob rule taking over the streets. The so called democratic revolution in itself is not democratic. Okay, Kantipur answer me. You believe you’ve been a great vehicle for the democratic movement that’s been going on right now, don’t you? So if you call people attacking the protestors, vigilantes, what do you call the people who burn down a young girl’s scooter in the middle of the road, democratic revolutionaries? If you can dare to report every little excess the security forces carry out, what stops you from reporting the vandalism and looting that the so called democratic forces are carrying out, your bloody democratic conscience? Well I didn’t expect anything but opportunistic tactics from the politicians, but I did expect a lot from an organization like Kantipur, and I’m sorry to say, you’ve not just let down the ordinary people of Nepal, you’ve also let down the democratic values that you claim to stand for.

We, the people of Nepal have never understood what democracy really is, have we? For us it’s nothing more than the freedom to do whatever we wish to do, without giving a damn to what others feel. I wish if only a medium as powerful as Kantipur was able to instill in people the importance of democratic values as it has been able to establish the need for a democratic Nepal.

At 8:52 PM, April 23, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

g has a point

"when you got a diseased appendige, do you hope for it to heal or do you fucking cut it off?"

At 5:36 AM, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A few final questions.....

Is J. Sing at this late hour attempting to arrange a 'safe haven' for the King in India?

PEOPLE POWER dominates the why don't they have any alternative leaders to the ones from the SPA?

Who is going to be on parade down Kings Way?...Girija or Prachanda?

At 7:10 AM, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So much for not engaging in dialogue with the king....

Back channels open
Nepali Times Update

Intense behind-the-scenes negotiations are reported to be going on in Kathmandu and New Delhi between the king, political parties and the Maoists to forge a power sharing deal.

Sources said the Indians are mediating between the three forces to get them to agree on what is called the "Yechuri Plan" after the leader of India's CPM, Sitaram Yechuri who brokered the Maoist-party 12-point pact in December. The Indian government has backed the seven-point formula which includes the king reinstating of parliament dissolved in 2002, setting up an interim government to hold negotaitions with the Maoists on their main demand of constituent assembly.

Indian television reported Monday afternoon that the Maoists are now studying the response from the king in New Delhi. Indian ambassador Shiv Shankar Mukherjee met the king Thursday and the king later met with Nepal's Chief Justice Dilip Poudel.

At 8:22 AM, April 24, 2006, Anonymous C.K said...

The following appears in UWB and has been taken as it is without any editing or additions. I do think some of it makes sense, if not everything. Provided is a link for your comments, rebuttals,disagreement or critique.

In Defense of Democracy

Sometimes unnecessary debates come into existence because we fail to
distinguish between the ‘political system’ and ‘individual leaders.’ What
the people are calling for right now is a democratic political system.
They are not fighting to choose between Gyanendra and Girija or Madhav
Nepal. They are basically making it clear that they do not want a
dictatorship of the king (by all definitions, an absolute monarchy is
simply a dictatorship–but a much more entrenched kind than other types of
dictatorship). If we are clear on the distinction between ’system’ and
‘individual leaders’ then the question of whether we need a hereditary
ruler or not (whether absolute or ceremonial) is almost irrelevant. A
serious flaw in reasoning on the part of critics intent on discrediting
the democratic system in Nepal is that they deliberately equate individual
political leaders to democracy itself. And often we ordinary citizens also
make the same mistake in reasoning and end up repeating the flawed
arguments of such democracy critics.

Nature is probabilistic and not deterministic–so we can never expect any
system to deliver flawless results. The same goes for democracy; as there
are so many factors that affect outcomes and since we cannot say for sure
whether the individuals leading the system will be good or bad, we cannot
for sure say whether the system will always deliver the desired results.
And in the past, our experiment with democracy has indeed yielded many
undesirable outcomes (along with many desirable outcomes as well, by the
way). But this in no way indicates that a dictatorship (monarchy, in our
case) is a better option for us.

First, it would be simply illogical to argue that the failure of democracy automatically shows that a dictatorship is better. Second, people showing sympathy for dictatorship
implicitly assume that the dictatorship will be a benevolent one and end
up contrasting this imagined benevolent dictatorship with a corrupt
democracy. This is equivalent to comparing apples and oranges. If we want
to discuss the relative strengths and weaknesses of these different
systems of government, it is illogical to compare a benevolent
dictatorship with a corrupt democracy. It only makes sense to compare a
benevolent dictatorship with a well-functioning democracy or a tyrannical
dictatorship with a corrupt democracy. And I am sure that in both cases an
impartial judge would inevitably select the same winner–democracy! After
all, if you look at the years since 1990, no one in the country has
plundered and looted the state treasury as much as our beloved monarch
(both by manipulating the laws–by making his salary many times higher
than that of any other head of state in the world; and illegally–I won’t
get into the details for now) who shamelessly talks about corrupt and greedy

As for whether we need a head of state other than the Prime Minister–this
question is relevant only because we have decided upon a parliamentary
system rather than a presidential system. So, the issue is not whether or
not we should have a head of state. Rather the question is: what kind of
head of state do we need? Do we want a head of state who is answerable to
the people or do we want to make the position of head of state the
private property of a family? Do we want a head of state to be chosen from
among competent contenders or do we want use ancestry as the sole criterion
for choosing him/her? Do we want a head of state who is obligated to
follow the laws of the country like any other citizen or do we want a
head of state who is above the law? Again, I think any reasonable person
will choose the first option. There is absolutely no reason why a
hereditary head of state is needed to put reasonable checks on the elected
government. That, in fact, would be extremely dangerous (as we have seen a
number of times in Nepal)–especially if the armed forces were answerable
to the head of state only.

What we must keep in mind is that the most
effective way to put checks on the executive branch of the government
(e.g. the cabinet) is by making the other two branches–Legislative, and
Judicial–also strong. And all strong democracies subscribe to this
approach to checks and balances. And, in general, it works well (again, I
say in general because the world is not deterministic). I really don’t
know the assumptions behind saying, “…at least today, we can still
come out on the streets and protest.” But I certainly hope it doesn’t
imply that we can protest because of the merits or benevolence of
Gyanendra’s system–the right to protest this way is a result of the 1990
people’s movement and not because of Gyanendra’s goodwill (in fact, his
system has imposed curfews and other draconian measures to prevent people
from exercising this right). So we can rest assured that a democratic
system where people’s representatives run the government will definitely
be a better option (even if it will have many defects).

Uncertainties make us nervous; the greatest fear is the fear of the
unknown. And, so it is natural for us to cling to the past at times
even when we know deep down that the past was not really glorious in any
way. But in the process of dealing with future uncertainties, let us not
make the mistake of imagining that we still need elements of a dictatorial
system to make Nepal a better place. It is also important to realize that
for a long time the supporters of such system had been able to get many
people to buy into the myth that the monarchy was a unifying force for
all Nepalis; but since the myth has now been completely shattered, there
really can be no further argument in favor of this anachronistic
institution. And, if some of us still find it difficult to get rid of
attachments with that discredited past, try doing the following: imagine a
throne on top of a pile of money that belongs to the people; imagine it is
made of gold and diamonds; and then picture Paras sitting on it with a
cynical grin!

Copied without permission from UWB :-)


At 11:17 AM, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Full text of the royal proclamation

Proclamation to the Nation from His Majesty King Gyanendra Bir Bikram Shah Dev

(24 April 2006)

Beloved Countrymen,
Convinced that the source of State Authority and Sovereignty of the Kingdom of Nepal is inherent in the people of Nepal and cognizant of the spirit of the ongoing people's movement as well as to resolve the on-going violent conflict and other problems facing the country according to the road map of the agitating Seven Party Alliance, we, through this Proclamation, reinstate the House of Representatives which was dissolved on 22 May 2002 on the advice of the then Prime Minister in accordance with the Constitution of the Kingdom of Nepal-1990. We call upon the Seven Party Alliance to bear the responsibility of taking the nation on the path to national unity and prosperity, while ensuring permanent peace and safeguarding multiparty democracy. We also summon the session of the reinstated House of Representatives at the Sansad Bhawan, Singha Durbar at 1 P.M. on Friday, 28 April 2006.

We are confident that this House will contribute to the overall welfare of Nepal and the Nepalese people.

We extend our heartfelt condolences to all those who have lost their lives in the people's movement and wish the injured speedy recovery. We are confident that the nation will forge ahead towards sustainable peace, progress, full-fledged democracy and national unity.

May Lord Pashupatinath bless us all!

Jaya Nepal!

At 11:55 AM, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am already check-mate as said earlier.

I want to ask the SPAM's bullshitters: The House of Representatives has been resintored. What next? Maoists are gonna take you by the head.

Long Live Nepal. Long Live the HM's King Gyanendra Bir Bikram Shah Dev!

Jai Nepal! May Lord Pashupatinath bless us all!

At 12:23 PM, April 24, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

SPAM will reject it. Mostly because "M" is running SPAM.

They'll reject it because it once again "fails to address immediate concerns" and, more importantly, since the Maoists are running the show, they'll make up some bull about intensifying protests now until they get their constituent assembly.

Blogdai has been on target with predicting most of these patterns, but I've never wanted to be more wrong in my life, with this one.


At 12:52 PM, April 24, 2006, Blogger Pradeep Chand said...

Blogdai, my mind understands what you are saying but the heart wishes them to be wrong. I have had enough and so has everybody else... All these rubber bullets and corpses may be joke to those maoist ma fas but the common people are tired... I am really worried about the downward spiral of our economy as it is the cause and the victim of this disorder.

At 1:07 PM, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Celebratory shouting and whistling could be heard in Kathmandu after the speech. Ram Chandra Poudel, general secretary of the opposition Nepali Congress, said Gyanendra had "addressed the spirit of the people's movement" and met the demands of the main opposition alliance.

At 1:34 PM, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blogdai it doesn't make sense that they'll reject the latest move. With the parliament convened they can make moves to create a constituent assembly.

I'll wager that SPA accept this move and pretty soon we'll be in timewarp taking us back to some time circa 2001/2.

Things are getting pretty out of control for the SPA, what with the protestors going loopy and today's Maoist attack.

SPA need a way out, King needs a way out, Maoists need a way in. This will help everyone.

At 3:53 PM, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, exactly. SPA will agree. This is not an end. It is just a beginning of a journey, but towards the right direction. There will still be many difficult days, pain, disagreements, but I believe we can solve the problems in an inclusive democratic environment.

Now SPA should form an all party government, declare a ceasefire and negotiate with Maoists for Constitutional Assembly election. Maoists should be disarmed and the army and armed police should be cut drastically.

King's role will be decided by people. One thing, Maoists need to understand is that they could neither topple King's Govt nor Parties' Govt with 13,000 lives in 10 years. However, people forced the King to concede with relatively peaceful protests within 2 weeks. This shows the power of people and Maoists should be wise not to play with it.

Another thing, Kamal Thapa and those responsible for brutally suppressing protests should be brought to justice.

However, we should be cautious that the political parties' keep their promises to solve the Maoist problems. We including Blogdai should carefully watch them.

At 10:40 PM, April 24, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

and in the end girija is the undisputed heavy weight champion of the world ...ladies and gentlemen..sit back and fasten your seatbelts as lauda air announces the flight of the century aka 'con air'

At 2:01 AM, April 25, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like blogdai was, thankfully, wrong.

"The announcement of Constituent Assembly elections will be the main agenda of the reinstated parliament," NC General Secretary Ram Chandra Paudel told ekantipur over the phone, soon after the conclusion of the meeting.

"The people will take their decision through constituent assembly elections," he added.

And Koirala as PM....looks like anon 1:34 was pretty much right on. And despite the Maoists negativity they are secretly relishing the prospect of a CA.

At 7:29 AM, April 25, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Yep, good to be wrong on this one.

SPA was starting to hear the barbarians at the gate. These demonstrations showed that the Maoists could not be controlled, so this acceptance of G's invitation tells us lots of things:

First, G. got his wedge driven between the alliance and the maoists.

Next, the alliance realized their goose was cooked by the Maoists. Winning the day and toppling the King and the army would have meant clear sailing for Prachanda and his boys.

SPA has no army. They thought they could buy one with the Maoists but that went haywire. Jumping back into the King's arms like this shows the RNA is still the baddest gunslinger in town. AT least now, SPA can dawdle around and be ineffective crooks like the old days again. They looked into the Maoist abyss they were creating and did not like what they saw.

Finally, perhaps we will get some credible world scrutiny on affairs in Nepal. Hopefully, every idiotic non-action by the new parliament will come under scrutiny. Look what all of us have done here: We've established a foundation for analysis and debate where one had not existed before. In essence, we all know what we're looking for now.

On a selfish note, blogdai now will have infinite opportunities to play government watchdog.


At 10:54 AM, April 25, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...


On a selfish note, blogdai now will have infinite opportunities to play government watchdog.

Don't be humble now. All (okay, majority) of your postings here have been selfish. Why just point out just one?

If you were a responsible politician, you would have resigned from your position of "blogdai" for all the fear-mongering, mis-information and mis-analysis. Thankfully, you are only a blogger.

At 1:31 AM, April 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Things getting better?

Maoists withdraw blockade (1:20 pm)

The Maoists have withdrawn the blockade of the Kathmandu valley and other district headquarters until Friday.

A statement issued by the Maoists said they called off the blockade till the first meeting of the reinstated House of Representatives (HoR) considering the appeal of Nepali Congress President Girija Prasad Koirala to do so.

The party has said that it will continue the blockades if the first meeting of the parliament did not take the decision of holding election of the constituent assembly unconditionally and other positive decisions.

The Maoists called the blockade from Tuesday expressing dissatisfaction over the reinstatement of the HoR, instead of holding the election of the constituent assembly.

King Gyanendra reinstated the dissolved HoR on Monday as per the demand of the agitating seven political parties.

Earlier, in a statement, Koirala has urged the Maoists to call off the general strike in the wake of the new political development of the country.

The SPA selected Koirala for the post of Prime Minister of the reinstated HoR.

The SPA also decided that the main agenda of the reinstated parliament would be to hold elections to the constituent assembly to draft a new constitution.

At 4:00 AM, April 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is not a comment.

We need to do something to stop SPAM and Nepal turning into a communist state.

We need to take out our own movement. Say what next?

If we all get together, we can do anything!

At 4:35 AM, April 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous, At 1:31 AM, April 26, 2006,

Please stop posting such news. We have hands, brains and eyes and can read that. Give some behind the scene news and comments and work towards solutions.

At 4:22 PM, April 26, 2006, Anonymous g said...


1.King is not that bad it would seem. He gave in after 19 days of protests without killing as many people. the way people were protesting in nepal, blog and else where, i had expected worse from him. ROYAL nepalese army, he could have used to save his throne, but he is not as much a fool as some of us thought him to be be.

2. the SPAM (not SPAMM) hopefully refrains from any spams on nepalese people. they are scared, i would think, and went against their friends the M and accepted kings call. hopefully they would be scared enough to act more and speak less now.

3. they are thinking of bringing some civic society representatives, hoping nepalese people would have some faith and trust in this old corrupticians, seeing some new faces.

4. hopefully the civic society which was mute during "Democracy" and suddenly found so much vigor in the SPAMM protest, would keep up the good work and look beyond the fruits of their 19 days long severe toil. and hopefully they would find a different way which is as much effective as the 19 day of torture to the capital residents. hopefully nepalese in and outside capital will get to taste a little of the DEMOCRACY's fruits, namely peace. for a couple of months atleast.

5. hopefully. we wont have as many unemployed or semiemployed youth who eagerly grab the chance to be employed as party hooligans to aid these inevitable protests.

6. hopefully, SPAM will find a way out to get the M give up its arms. International mediation (or whatever works) will be implemented soon and nepal will turn back into a country of peace and beauty and buddha as it used to be and prospering and proud.

jay desh jay naresh

At 10:24 PM, April 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do we propose that we stop SPAM and Nepal being a Communist State? Oh wait I know lets install a dictatorship! What do you guys think?

As for everything else wait till Friday!

At 4:20 AM, April 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

if someone was to travel to Kathmandu next month, what would you tell him?
go? not go?

At 5:18 AM, April 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where are you? Keep posting.

At 11:50 PM, April 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

At 10:24 PM, April 26, 2006, Anonymous said

Lol bullshitter. We are done with what is Dictatorship and what is Anarchy. To kill people like you, we must have dictatorship or you will bring anarchy to others. For everything else, please SHUT UP. You are not required.

At 1:15 AM, April 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Knights and pawns check king
Apr 27th 2006 | KATHMANDU
From The Economist print edition

"And what of the king? His fate may be decided by the people if and when they vote on a new constitution. This week many of his most despised lieutenants were believed to have already fled ..."

Hey haven't you left the country already, blog dai? You should join those guys.

At 1:19 AM, April 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Knights and pawns check king
Apr 27th 2006 | KATHMANDU
From The Economist print edition

"And what of the king? His fate may be decided by the people if and when they vote on a new constitution. This week many of his most despised lieutenants were believed to have already fled ..."

Hey, haven't you left the country already, blog dai? You should join those guys.

At 1:27 AM, April 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time has come for us all who want to see Nepal as Nepal to act to protect it from being People's Republic, Bhutanization and Ho Chin Min.

We all know what and how these mobocracy came about, rather than nitpicking and intellectuaizing, time calls for aggresive action to safeguard a future for our children. Lets not all feel insulated just by being in foreign land.

I have seen this same scenario in S. America and in countries like Vietnam. It is quite foolish to think that 7 parties are at the helm and they are Democrat-not at all. It is the Maoist and their spinmasters in Delhi who are staging this deadly play at the cost of our children and nationhood.

It is quite plain to see- UML is acting as a front for Maoist and Congress with its internal strife cannot withstand the pressure from Maoist and the UML; therefore, Maoist have boldly made a stand on CA without any preconditions-This my friends, is road to one party state in the making.

The time is not for voice of reason and sanity but action that deters this plan of action by the Maoist and CPI in India at the cost of our nation.

Lets rise and defend fundamental rights which we must assure for our future generation.

At 2:59 AM, April 28, 2006, Blogger Warrior_of_light said...

>"As we see the situation in Nepal, anyone would think that the
>problem lies between the King, seven Political parties, and Maoists.
>And why? What each of them wants? We'd find answers for that also.
>One may say political parties want full-fledged democracy.
>Maoists want the communism, and King wants to reestablish Panchayat
>or something like that in other form. It may sound weird to you at
>first, but I see this crisis in completely other way. This is not
>any kind of conflict between Nepalese themselves. This is something
>between India and Nepal. It's a grand and interesting game. At the
>same time, highly challenging for both the states.
>Every one of us knows the Indian approach of trying to dominate
>others, especially the neighboring countries. Defense and foreign
>affairs related decisions of Bhutan are directly handled by India.
>Nothing new about it, right? Which country in the SAARC except
>Bhutan is happy with India?
>Forget SAARC, what about other
neighbors? China? Burma? Mentioning
>these issues just to rethink on India's foreign policies! Now let us
>go to what's there between India and Nepal? Care to see it thru big
>brother's side.
>India 's average economic growth rate has reached around 7.5% which
>is one of the best in world today. India is second largest market in
>the world in terms of population. Foreigners are seeing China and
>India as the new markets of this age and investing here rapidly.
>Bottom line is- India is developing. But how long people will invest
>in India if basic infrastructure is not there? How much investments
>would be there in Agricultural industry if outsiders don't see basic
>irrigation facilities in the field? In other way, when other area is
>developing, what about large Indian farmer population? When
>prosper if irrigation is not there?
>And most importantly, energy is vital for all development-
>industries, technology and everything. India is not capable of
>producing the required amount. India has successfully taken control
>over Bhutan's energy resources and already started to have the
>benefit. Bhutan is also getting something out of it but in cost of
>Now comes Nepal's part. Nepal is second richest in water resource
>having potential of large amount of energy. Enough energy to cater
>India's energy need for industrialization and irrigation
>and clean drinking water for eastern India (perhaps more than that).
>For that, India can have straight business deals with Nepal. Take it
>if u want, but please pay. But no! India wants all those in the way
got from Bhutan. They want to have total control in any hydro
>projects that'll be build in Nepal. They want to give us something
>out of it- lot less value than what we deserve. Since history India
>has been trying for this and as it was obvious for them to
>getrefusal. In the mean time, foreigners wanted to invest in Hydro
>projects in Nepal. But India always fumed and fretted for any
>manipulation in rivers will lead to flood in India. So, all the big
>projects were cancelled.
>India didn't stop. They wanted to get the resources according to
>their desire. When Nepal refused, they came into games with long
>vision. What I interpret the game could possibly be as such- Change
>the non cooperative government of Nepal. Keep people in power that
>will be ready to sell the resources of the country fro
some money.
>And if required, will be ready to sell the whole country. India knew
>that until and unless royal family is in power, it's not possible.
>This is because for the royals, Nepal is the only place in the world
>where they will get highest degree of respects and they'd never sell
>the country. For that, India played the key role to instill
>democracy in 2046 and implant corrupted people in the government.
>According to the plan, some leaders of ours sold out rivers and
>lands during the 15 years. That we all know.
>Now India could not depend only on those dogs. For that, how to make
>Nepal completely helpless in shortest period? So that Nepal will
>come down on the ground with knees. There won't be any other option
>remaining for Nepal and finally turn towards India and beg them to

>utilize our own resources, and give some riots two feed Nepalese
>twice a day. Attack on the source of economy was the simplest route
>towards Nepal's bring down. And then something
>happened out of blues.
>Maoists were born in western Nepal which is the hub of ayurvedic
>medicine and one of Nepal's major exports. The area is still under
>Maoists control and no one knows how much of yarshagumba is smuggled
>from there every year. Country's revenue is going in vain. And let
>us recall, it was Girija's tenure and whole Nepal knows how Maoists
>flourished in no time. Besides that, major objective of giving birth
>to Maoists was to attack the spinal of Nepal's economy- tourism. And
>things happened accordingly. Nepal broke and got trapped into the
>crisis we r seeing today.
please don't doubt on who gave birth to Maoists. India was the
>first to call Maoists as terrorists when Nepal government was still
>calling it as insurgents. After that, US hit listed Maoists of Nepal
>in top ten among the world terrorists. Nepal government never called
>them terrorists those days. And in many cases, we have seen Maoists
>leader making rounds to Delhi in the same fashion as Girija and his
>daughter. The recent meeting between the parties and Maoists leaders
>occurred in Delhi. How could India arrange the facility when Maoists
>are terrorists? Do they want to send a message thatLashkar-e-taiba
>should be entertained by governments of various nations?
>And surprisingly, nowadays Indian media do not right the word
>"terrorists" for Nepalese Maoists. The respected word given by them

>these days is "Nepal rebel". This is all happening because of the
>slavish mentality India possesses due to 200 years of British rule.
>Anyways, now let us come to the major issue. After knowing all
>these, I m not in a condition to agree that the dispute in Nepal is
>for democracy. What I believe is it is for nationality. It is for
>saving the nation. It is for raising the nation with what we have.
>It is for replying back to all those who try to play with us. Now,
>it's up to your intellect to identify who is working for what. What
>King is doing, parties are doing, and Maoists are doing.
>It'll be a very appreciable opinion if you say what those pancheys
>are doing again here? We should not forget that democracy is
>nature's law. When you are born, you come along with your
No force can stop u for that. Let's see the cause and
>what's happening around. Democracy within the boundary is so
>important? Or democracy in a country will be there when a country
>will b there? Let all Nepalese get together and stop the external
>force for some time when Nepal will try to lift up in a position
>from where no force would be able to bring it down. Democracy is
>always there. When Nepalese can change the government in 2046, same
>Nepalese can change the government again in 2066. And if required,
>forever free Nepalese could change the system around the world. We
>don't have to doubt in our capability. But the current need is not
>"restore democracy" as India is saying. Current need for each and
>every Nepali is to "save and raise the nation". When US envoy to
>India made one statement
related to India's nternal politics last
>week, whole India shouted back to the ambassador.
>This is something good we need to learn from Indians. When India,
>and other far away nations are repeatedly trying to interfere our
>internal matter,our corrupted media (do I have to name the media
>which have bosses of NonNepalese origins? Or u find it yourself) is
>not tired of singing their songs everyday. These Medias are
>responsible for creating a pessimistic environment in the ation.
>People are not protesting those external interferences which are
>vital in present. Restoring Democracy is not the issue as far as I
>understand. What if democracy is restored tomorrow immediately? Same
>old faces who tried to help the neighbor more than own country
>itself will be back to power. And the process of losing the
>independency which has been stopped temporarily through king's move
>will get momentum again.
>But if Nepal and Nepalese succeeds to pause that external force for
>some more time, its strength will be minimized. Many things can
>happen within few years. Zest is- country first! Now, If you don't
>agree on this, I m open to have your opinion. If you feel that there
>is some logic in what I have said, please forward it to as many
>Nepalese as possible. There is nothing good happening to you within
>24 hours or 3 days or 1 week or so forth.
>But only God knows, long term benefits could be there.
>Thank you

At 5:56 AM, April 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So? Are you Nepalis enjoying being ruled by a bunch of dogs?

Just can't imagine how foolish of you.


At 6:11 AM, April 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

anon 420 am...

my advice: go

you apparently have a window of 3 months of unilateral maoist ceasefire, which is more than most other travelers who have been there in recent years can say...

let your embassy/consulate know you're there, stay away from rallies

if you're trekking, stick to the trails, learn and heed advice about altitude sickness, and don't travel alone... the guides/porters are all eager for work and the economy needs your money

whatever you're doing, enjoy it


At 7:13 AM, April 28, 2006, Anonymous C.K said...

For all those misguided with misplaced patriotism filled only with hate and venom, this is what is in the pipeline for Nepal, from the only friend to ever help it in times of crisis and to bail it out from crisis. Yet another Gigantic package from INDIA and INDIANS for the people of Nepal.

I definetely see some of you saying and picking on this too, however silly it might sound.But as we have seen, time and again, its the truth that prevails, irrespective of what we believe and the fears we have. people have proven it. History has shown it.

Anyways heres the link.

NEW DELHI: India is planning a "mega economic" package for Nepal to help hold up the Himalayan nation's faltering economy and prevent it from going into a fiscal tailspin, which could fuel popular unrest and put its fragile political stability under unbearable strain.

The aid package that India is considering includes huge cash and credit infusions to address Nepal's depleted balance of payments situation, rescheduling of short and long term loans, oil supplies at concessionary rates or on credit and communication equipment to kickstart governance.

"It is a huge package and one of the biggest ever offered by India to another country," an official said. Keeping in mind the delicate negotiations that are due to take place between the new government and Maoists, resumption of military supplies is not on the table.

India's immediate concern is to help Nepal ward off an economic crisis, which could erode its already frayed administrative mechanisms.

Deliberations in government have seen the view emerge that the cycle of inflation, rising prices and shortages could be very difficult to reverse.

The policy inputs that the group of senior ministers monitoring Nepal indicate that the current mood of optimism could change quickly if the new dispensation does not deliver.

The economic package has been discussed at various levels in government and also figured in the discussions PM Manmohan Singh had with India's special envoy Karan Singh, foreign secretary Shyam Saran and national security advisor M K Narayanan last week.

The need for assisting Nepal in recovering from ravages of a long spell of Maoist insurgency, popular protests, disruption of commerce and hardships for farmers found favour with the government.

"The PM's response to the proposal for an economic package was extremely positive," said one of the participants in the meeting.

Since India sees a role, not intrusive but supportive, in helping Nepal recover, it was important for New Delhi's own geo-political interests to help the new regime in Kathmandu, a senior bureaucrat said.

At 8:37 AM, April 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am in Europe, planning to go to Nepal soon for a short while. Do you think it will be safe?

At 10:38 AM, April 28, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why Mao? (National Review)
by Thomas Marks


At 7:50 AM, April 29, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

revolutions in the 21st century...there is only one that has happened recently & quietly ..and not in nepal but over in the middle east. but the warning to these spa jokers is simple if they get greedy and screw up this time the maoists will be elected to power in a very short time. just see where the hamas is today ..the situation in nepal is not very different. the terrorists know that the back door to the kingdom has been left open.
for once i wish i were wrong on this.

At 3:31 AM, April 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blog dai!
May be you are right, may be i am frustrated at the way, the leaders behaved at time. And you are certainly right about the democratic practice in nepal. And offcours, 100% in "This is Nepal, anything can happen."
But you sounded like the royalist... are you... In the wake of democracy/ freedom you seemed to be worried.. I am deeply concerned. I am worried to about the future of nepal, my people. But right now, if i were you . i would thank all nepalese for the sacrifices they made, and the bravery they showed. And ask them to be a true nepali citizen, in this PEOPLE REPUBLIC OF NEPAL.
Lets start a new nation building process, where we the past won't hunt our future. Blog dai, you will have to help create a positive vibe.

At 6:43 AM, April 30, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Positive vibe will not help you deal with the Maoists.

Your "courage" was no more than a sweep of emotion leading to a mob action.

You were short sighted and allowed yourseves to be manipulated by Koirala and the Maoists. They played you like a violin.

No, real courage is the ability to step outside of your emotions and see the road ahead. Have you planned for this?

A constituent assembly is the singular demand of the Maoists, plain and simple. Why? because they can manipulate the composition of such an assembly by influencing elections in rural areas.

The Maoists never once backed off of their violent ideology, why would they do it now. Does your "vibe" allow you to pay enough attention when the maoists say they are planning "reculturalization" camps for their opposition?

Perhaps folly translates to courage in your eyes, am i right?


At 1:32 PM, April 30, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It didn't take long for us to see democracy in action, did it? A few days ago everyone in the SPA was seemingly in love with each other. Are these the first cracks:

NC-NC(D) row delays Cabinet

Prime Minister Girija Prasad Koirala could not announce the much-awaited council of ministers today with the Nepali Congress refusing to give separate party status to the splinter Nepali Congress (Democratic) which holds 39 seats in the 205-member revived House of Representatives (HoR).
The council of ministers was expected to be announced before the start of today’s session of the HoR.
The NC and other constituencies of the alliance had, in principle, agreed to give the NC-D a separate party status in the HoR during a meeting of the top leaders of the seven-party alliance held on April 25.
“But the NC has now refused to abide by what had been agreed before,” said a NC-D leader.

click link for full report...


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