Thursday, March 16, 2006

Absolutely Insane


Girija Prassad Koirala










It is no wonder ol' Girija hasn't given a one-to-one interview since 2003: The man is completely nuts!

In a staggering display of hegemonistic imperialism, Girija sets himself up as the only relevant player in the ongoing conflict. When asked about conflicting views coming out of the Maoist camp, the old fossil replies; "I have met them, and will rely on what they have said to me in person. Leave the Maoist matter to me. It is our responsibility to bring them in—no one else can do that..” Thanks Girija, the Maoists grew in size and brutality under your tenure, what makes you think you can suddenly revoke the 10 years of savage strengthening that you facilitated?

Then the kicker: "You will be surprised at how many layers of problems will be solved the day Parliament is restored. First and foremost, it will guarantee peace with the Maoists."
Excuse us, "guarantee peace" with the Maoists? The only thing your former parliament "guaranteed" was an increase in Maoist atrocities. There has not been one hint, one whiff of an inclination that the Maoists will slow down their violence, much less guarantee peace.

" ....the king must understand how precarious the situation has become now. If he reaches out, of course we can help. If he does not, who can take responsibility for what happens next..” Throwing your hands up in the air and saying that you will not be responsible for violence is not only cheap and childish, but demonstrates your lack of leadership; and more severely, your approval of violence as a means to achieve you objectives. A real statesman would have condemned any form of violence and looked for a peaceful means to resolve this crisis. Also, was it convenience or senility that made you overlook the King's very emphatic attempt to "reach out" to the parties in his speech a few weeks ago?

It is telling that Girija feels he has an inside line on Maoist thinking. The Maoists will feed his ego for as long as it takes them to get through the political back-door. This meeting in Delhi to "clarify"' the 12-point agreement was done under western diplomatic pressure. Girija wouldn't have been bothered had the Yanks not proclaimed the agreement to be a farce. Now, he has to find some relevance, quickly; hence the breathless and hasty forthcoming announcement of an "accord" with the Maoists. I wonder if it will ever occur to Girija, perhaps while in the throes of his keen Maoist insight, that Prachanda is playing him like a violin. blogdai thinks Girija knows Maoists because Girija knows insanity.

(A debate between Girija and Prachanda: Hours of babbling rhetoric with not one clear, concise sentence! A holiday for stream of consciousness mavens. )

From Donald Camp to Christina Rocca, everytime someone from the U.S. State Department talks to Koirala, they tell him to sit down and shut up. The only problem is, many Nepalis see Koirala as an "elder statesman" and apply entirely too much significance to his babbling. It also doesn't help that the Nepali media makes front-page headlines out of Girija's every bowel movement.

It may just be up to all of us here at blogdai to show the world that this ridiculous old emperor not only has no clothes, but no sanity as well.

-=blogdai





http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2006/mar/mar16/news11.php

64 Comments:

At 11:08 AM, March 16, 2006, Blogger bloghajurbah said...

You write of Donald Camp, a most respected America politician and knowledgable of Asian matters.

US Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs, Donald Camp has said that restoration of multi-party democracy and the prevention of a “Maoist takeover” are the US’s primary objectives in Nepal. Presenting his statement before the House Committee on International Relations Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific in Washington on Wednesday, Camp said that the US believes that reconciliation between the king and the political parties, and a return to democracy is the only path towards an effective counter-insurgency strategy and the restoration of security, government services, exercise of political rights, and respect for human rights.

Labeling the king’s Feb.1 move of 2005 as an assumption of “temporary authoritarian power”, Camp noted that the king has become increasingly divorced from the political parties and population. “Fourteen months of palace rule have only made the security situation in Nepal more precarious, emboldened the Maoist insurgents, and widened the division between the country’s legitimate political forces – the major political parties and the King.”

Kantipur News

 
At 11:52 AM, March 16, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Agreed. But Camp stated last year that the "immediate threat" of maoism was his big priority.

Also, From Kantipur Online June 28: "Commenting on the king's announcement of holding municipal elections, Camp said free and fair election is always important component of democracy. However, he added that during his meeting with Nepali Congress (NC) President Girija Prasad Koirala earlier on the day, the former didn't urge Koirala to participate in the municipal elections."

So, without much of a stretch, we can see that Camp wants what a lot of us want: Peace first. Next, we all want to see active, vibrant political parties. We want this process restored as soon as possible. However, we would love to wipe the slate clean of the old guard and start again.

-=blogdai

 
At 11:57 AM, March 16, 2006, Anonymous C.K said...

OH MY GOD. This Bastard is actually threatening voilence if the King doesnt do what he says!
Its direct and pretty obvious what he means?! Why is he even speaking to Prachanda and other terrorists? It seems a complex and more indepth conspiracy, than just Maoist violence. There should be democracy no doubt, but people like this should be kicked out, and made responsible for all the violence that they indirectly are propagating through and with the help of Maoists.

Why dont the maoists kill these politicians and why do they attack innocent civilians and low level Government employees all the time?

The king will have to give up, sooner or later. Its not if, but when...its just a matter of time. But AFTER that, the young and the educated have to come and join politics for a brighter Nepal, and root out these corrupt, selfcentered terrorists. These old weasels would loot the county and ruin it further, if the youth doesnt take part. Nothing they say is true.

And as for Donald Camp, I think thats the only solution for now, for this mess. Restoring Democracy, alienating Maoists.
BUT one way or the other, and I am sure there is a way, to make these insane bastards be kicked out of politics for ever along with Maoists.

These are just my personal views.

 
At 12:14 PM, March 16, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Well that fairly well gets to the core of what many Nepalis want.

We want a representative democracy with active political parties.

We want the king to act as a safety valve if needed, but mostly in the background.

We want these corrupt bums in the 7-parties to get out of the way so that we can all move forward.

-=blogdai

 
At 1:12 PM, March 16, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another historical analogy from me:

"Still seeking to gain entrance into Troy, clever Odysseus (some say with the aid of Athena) ordered a large wooden horse to be built. Its insides were to be hollow so that soldiers could hide within it.

Once the statue had been built by the artist Epeius, a number of the Greek warriors, along with Odysseus, climbed inside. The rest of the Greek fleet sailed away, so as to deceive the Trojans.

One man, Sinon, was left behind. When the Trojans came to marvel at the huge creation, Sinon pretended to be angry with the Greeks, stating that they had deserted him. He assured the Trojans that the wooden horse was safe and would bring luck to the Trojans.

Only two people, Laocoon and Cassandra, spoke out against the horse, but they were ignored. The Trojans celebrated what they thought was their victory, and dragged the wooden horse into Troy.

That night, after most of Troy was asleep or in a drunken stupor, Sinon let the Greek warriors out from the horse, and they slaughtered the Trojans."

You just have to love the value of history.

Richard III

 
At 1:47 PM, March 16, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Blogdai,

Maoists would like us to believe that they are a pussy cat when they are a panther. The world that is tired of protracted conflict is all to willing to convince itself that it is staring at the smile of a big, fluffy pussy cat. Deuba, Koirala and Madhev Nepal and all the freeloaders of Nepal are deluding themselves.

I dream for a fourth force in Nepal that could outflank the UML, Congress and their cronies. A fourth force of civil society, businessmen, graduates, young politicians, village elders, women, dissident politicians (UML, Congress, Maoists), doctors, lawyers, dalits, brahmins that could form an umbrella organisation to give strength to the Nepali state.

The people of Nepal need to say 'no' to violence, 'no' to the endless bandh's, 'no' to the cronies like Koirala, 'no' the street riots, 'no' the Maoists. Its time that the Nepali people stopped saying 'ke garne' and said how can i help my country?

Richard III

 
At 2:17 PM, March 16, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Your talking about a good, healthy dose of nationalism there, King Richard.

A fouth path, as you say, might encompass two interesting ideas. First, get your Brahmins, students and everyone else to contribute to the distribution of information on a national scale. Our NAG is heading in this direction. Second, develop a nationally supervised village "watch" force so that each citizen, both rural and urban has an active, state supported, role in eliminating Maoism. Vigilantism? Possibly. But combine this with an educated and informed populace and you have a national movement with some legitimacy.

-=blogdai

 
At 2:39 PM, March 16, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Dammit! On any given day blogdai either loves or hates SCOOP.com

Today, I love 'em.

Madhan Prasad Khanal's article on the true source of Nepal's instability is an inspiration.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0603/S00209.htm


-=blogdai

 
At 8:02 PM, March 16, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Hey, shit, now Donald Camp has deviated from his "control Maoists first" stance to "democracy first then security." http://www.nepalnews.com/archive/2006/mar/mar16/news09.php

What does this tell us? It most definitely tells us that the U.S. has a rudderless Nepal policy; they basically don't care.

contradictions, intimidating rhetoric, changes of course. The Yanks must think (when the in fact DO think) that nepal is some kind of political chalk-board that they can use for their fringe, non-accountable political musings and experiments.

Hey U.S.: If you don't have a credible, coherent Nepal policy then shut up until you do. You embarrass the United States of America and you frustrate and anger Nepalis world-wide.

-=blogdai

8:00 PM, March 16, 2006

 
At 12:17 PM, March 17, 2006, Anonymous m.r. said...

Huh? Don't any of you guys read The Nepali Times anymore?

Psychopaths and sycophants

To find out why Nepal is stuck, we may need to psychoanalyse our political leadership

Quite a column, written by Dr Shyam Chalise: a Nepali psychiatrist.

Quote
From Issue #290 (17 March 06 - 23 March 06)

As a psychiatrist it isn't difficult to categorise the personality types of King Gyanendra, GP Koirala, MK Nepal, Dr Tulsi Giri, or for that matter Comrades Prachanda and Baburam. Doing so may actually help us psychoanalyse this nation and its leadership which in turn could provide us with clues about what is wrong with the country.

Some general features of personality disorders afflicting 10-15 percent of the general population seems to be much more prevalent among the country's political leadership at present. Such people are inflexible, maladaptive and have only one way of responding to a given situation. It is reflected in all areas of life and is life-long, and the patients are born with the syndrome they don't acquire it.

[. . .]

To untangle ourselves from the political and social impasse the first step is to detect the above personality disorders prevalent in all political players to be followed by thorough psychiatric counselling.

Unquote

Revealing! Apart from the author's "slip of the pen"-suggestion about the Maoists not being terrorists, I couldn't have said it any better myself.

 
At 6:26 PM, March 18, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also from Nepali Times...

Bijaydeb Bhattarai in Jana Aastha, 8 March

I was rushed to an army barrack soon after my arrest last year, where I was blindfolded, handcuffed and kicked to the ground. Then they put me in a sack, hung me upside down, beaten and submerged in water. Later, I found that there were different levels of torture. Those in Grade A were electrocuted. Detainees in B were choked and their bodies slashed while prisoners classed as C were hung up and beaten until they died and in some cases were raped, buried alive or shot to death. There were three or four detainee camps inside the Bhairabnath Barrack.

There, I met many individuals accused of working as Maoists but most of them were innocent civilians. Pradip Sarki, a driver, and Rajkumar Basnet, a bus conductor, were released after 10 months of torture. Kaluman Tamang was let go after 11 months of cruelty. Other detainees included Bhaikaji Ghimire, Krishnaraj KC, Ganesh Dhakal, Suryaman Maharjan, Resam BK, Sarita Sharma, Rambahadur Basnet, Jitman Basnet, Amrit Maharjan, Madhab Neupane, Tyalgen Sherpa, Gobinda Ghimire and Jujubhai Maharjan. The whereabouts of 500 others whom I came across are unknown. In addition, many prisoners like Surendra Khadgi, Anuman Shrestha, Madhab Adhikari, Kaji Gurung and Kamal KC are suffering from infections of their wounds and smelled bad. The army used to bring in 100-200 detainees a day and take them to unknown places the same night. Dipendra Pant, BK Shrestha and Pipal Shrestha were beaten to death in front of our own eyes. Renu Dulal was stripped naked and then beaten to death.

A pregnant Tamang girl was kicked until she bled to death despite her pleading to him to spare her unborn infant. Suchendra Maharjan’s neck was slit and his head was squashed with a hammer while Bhim Maharjan’s beating left him bleeding all over. Haribahadur Roka and Buddhi Lama were caned severely. Dhirendra Basnet, Puspa Basnet and Ashok Akela were beaten until they were half dead.

We found later that Nischal Nakarmi, Bhim Giri, Bhabnath Dhamala, Gokul Niraula, Nima Lama, Shantiram Bhattarai, Arjun Pokhrel, Rupak Adhikary, Deshbhakta Chapagain, Dileswar Limbu, Lila Acharya, Tejman BK, Arjun Maharjan, Surendra Thapa, Kamala Waiba, Astaraj Bajracharya, Sudarsan Rijal, Jalandhar Gautam, Kumar Dhakal, Arjun Neupane, Amrit Kandel, Prakash Lama, Madhab Adhikari, Rajendra Mali and Lila Pande were all squeezed into a truck and taken to Shivapuri forest where they were killed and buried. Evidence can still be found there.

Only 30 of us, including Krishna KC and Himal Sharma, are among the survivors who witnessed these events. The mental torture was also so extreme that we were not even allowed to go to the toilet without first being beaten. Every night we readied ourselves for beatings when we heard the soldiers rattle the doors with iron pipes. We learnt that representatives from the ICRC and other human rights organisations were looking for us. But just prior to their visits we were made to wake up and run barefoot to hide in the bunkers. This happened three or four times and many of us got sick. Two detainees, Khadag Dharti and Padam Nakarmi, died when they were forced to lie on the cold floor. One rainy night, 18 of us were crammed into a truck and taken to a forest where we heard the sound of insects. We were soaked and it was extremely cold. We were blindfolded and our hands tied so that we imagined this was the end of our lives. We were told to lie on the ground and then dragged by ropes tied around our necks. This went on for five nights and then we were taken back to the Bhairabnath.

 
At 8:54 PM, March 18, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

yes, and why are we getting this anecdotal account of RNA atrocities? Are we now supposed to see some sort of light that the RNA is on par with the Maoists?

Maybe there are no Maoists, just cruel "Gyane" and his RNA henchmen dressing up in different clothes so they can torture villagers and pretend its a war, right?

No one (for the one hundredth time) denies that atrocities have been committed on both sides of this conflict. But, funny, I don't seem to remember this behaviour from the RNA until Maoist atrocities became so unbearable that someone had to do something.

This is a war. A guerilla war where the Maoists not only use innocent villagers as shields, but blend into village life instantly when they feel threatened. Would you rather the RNA just leave the Maoists alone?

Ask yourself who started the atrocity-fest. Ask yourself who's administration virtually looked the other way while chaos was growing due to maoist violence and finally, ask yourself if Nepal would be better off today if the RNA had not decided to take an active role.

Today we have a splintering, weakening maoist movement looking to continue its campaign through the manipulation of the 7-parties. Today we hear, for the first time, Maoists admitting they cannot win an armed struggle. Today we also see world powers lining up to isolate the Maoists.

Would any of this have been possible under Girija?

-=blogdai

 
At 7:17 AM, March 19, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Oh nock it off you simpleton.

No one is advocating torture on any level so save the world victimizer speech for your therapist.

You see only what is in front of your face. Do you think the Maoists would have slowed down their brutal campaign one bit had the RNA not been in the field? Are you able to conceive of the fact that Maoists perceive negotiation as a weakness?

Is it just no concern of yours that the Maoists were committing unspeakable atrocities years before the RNA entered into the fray? It is not simply who did what "first," it is who stepped in to stop an ever accelerating pattern of violence.

Your shallow bias leaves you with only half an argument
Read this column more thoroughly before you pass your weepy judgement on blogdai.

Come to think of it, none of your illustrations even remotely reflect Nepal's situation. You pulled the most unlikely and blustery interperetation of my last post completely from your bias, so I think I'll delete it after our readers get a little more look at it.

God, when will we stop getting these self-indulgent basket-cases?

-=blogdai

 
At 11:02 AM, March 19, 2006, Anonymous g said...

Quote Dr. Chalise
…people are inflexible, maladaptive and have only one way of responding to a given situation.
Unquote

‘Gain Quote Dr. Chalise
…people are inflexible, maladaptive and have only one way of responding to a given situation.
Unquote

Primary requirements of being a politician / in politics in Nepal. That’s was a good long nice long sentence. I guess that is why not me Dr. Chalise. Very sorrowful.

I am cheating but here I go
Quote DR. g
…people are flexible, adaptive and have more than one way of responding to any given
situation. LIKE who cares, lets drink, nothings happening and such likes.
Unquote.

OKAY!!
ok!!
OK!!

Whats OK is to take people’s brain and destroy it. Secondly, Make them smaller in size so that they don’t eat so much and need so much.

I think nature is doing a pretty cool stuff on the first one, without using much violence. Alcohol, weed, and other stuff (you know where I am heading). Would work faster if all these stuff were in the air. Like love is in the air some times. And strike is in the air so often times back home.

The Chinese are working hard on the latter. We all know how hard the Chinese work. Don’t get fooled by their increasing heights. Thats the first set of teeth to show the world. They have a different set hidden. You know like an Elephant’s. There are rumors roaming around. Whole everyone’s running after petty stuffs, they are after the real thing. WATCH OUT !!

ROLL ON CHINA.

heee ha!
Just got myself a Doctor’s degree
CONGRATULATIONS ME!!!
-g

 
At 12:17 PM, March 19, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

shyabash, g!

Now if I can only figure out what you're saying...

naagboy ;^)

 
At 12:58 PM, March 19, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

I can't quite make it out either, but I think g's celebrating his doctorate. So, from all of us at the blogdai family:

CONGRATS G. ON YOUR PHD!

anyway, I'm glad he's on our side.
(He is on our side, isn't he?)

-=blogdai

 
At 1:51 PM, March 19, 2006, Anonymous g said...

you are right anon.

justifying torture is sick.

so what do you propose the RNA and our security forces do? to fight the maoist i mean.

 
At 1:54 PM, March 19, 2006, Anonymous g said...

PS:
and if you dont want to be mistaken for someone else please use a name. it doesnt have to be real, you know. and its free. i love that word.
-g

 
At 3:28 PM, March 19, 2006, Anonymous 2:34 said...

g: so what do you propose the RNA and our security forces do? to fight the maoist i mean.

Torturing people, many of whom have often been arbitrarily arrested, is not fighting the Maoists - it is torturing people.

Incidentally, I have taken your advice and named myself '2:34'.

 
At 4:21 PM, March 19, 2006, Anonymous g said...

right again 2:34.


but what i was hoping for was a plan of action. what would you rather have them do to fight maoist? i was wondering what wlternatives you might have been thinking of?

and thanx for using a name.

-g

 
At 5:51 PM, March 19, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

234 your last post was, and will continue to be deleted because your assumptions were based on a flawed premise. blogdai neither advocates, supports nor is justifying any form of torture. Create you little dramas elsewhere.

I deleted your message for a reason. It was badly off message. I will delete it every time you post it. Is this your brand of democracy? Push and shout until you get your way?

g. is absolutely right. How would you have the RNA deal with people who only know torture and use it daily as a political tool?

No, you were painting a picture: show that the RNA is equally brutal and on the same par with the Maoists and thereby have them share the blame, somehow for 10 years of Maoist brutality. You know, stepping back a bit and realizing that there are no winners in this conflict, perhaps reflecting on how all sides, including village "defense" groups are all guilty of atrocities, might have been a good way to spark a sane debate on the nature of these types of conflicts in general; but no, you seem to acknowledge only RNA problems and seem to feel the need to discredit blogdai as some sort of torture "allower."

But go ahead now, g is calling your bluff. Do you have a solution or are you only capable of barking out your pro-party dogma?

I eagerly await a non-deletable answer.

-=blogdai

 
At 6:21 AM, March 20, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

(deleted) Editor's note: 234 was trying to blackmail us into posting his previously deleted post. I suppose that by doing so, we would have been favored with a response to g's question. But alas, we neither bargain nor succumb to such tactics here at blogdai.

So, now, let's keep a count. So far 234 has tried bullying and blackmail. Very "7-party" of you. What other "democratic" practices do you have up your sleeve?

g. (can we call you "Dr. g.") you may just have to give up on this person. Responding to your query would require 234 to have more rounded perspective and perhaps give in and compromise a bit.

blogdai doesn't see that happening.


-=blogdai

 
At 7:58 AM, March 20, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

(another delete) Let is be said that 234's postings have completely fallen off the table.

Was it so hard to simply answer g's question?

-=blogdai

 
At 8:00 AM, March 20, 2006, Blogger Dev Prasad said...

All atrocities are to be condemned but so long man continues to be human war will always have such crimes perpetrated against non-combatants. Particularly where one party uses guerilla warfare to achieve its goals. Mr 2.34 (Your IQ I suppose?) (Ok, was just joking.) you ought to listen more to blogdai; he can teach you a lot about politics. You can choose to ignore what you have learnt from him but at least choose to learn first.

Allow me to change the subject. I have looked into the future of Nepal and the Google came back with the following results:

(actually Google came back with 24,300,000 results in .84 seconds which is faster than God since HE hasn't come back to me yet on that one)

Here are Mystic Dev's top predictions:

1. Feb 1st 2007, Nepal is thrust back into the international limelight as the King announces elections.
2. Nepal follows the Yuan trail all the way too Beijing.
3. Nepal becomes a Chinese satellite in return for Big Brother assurances of support for King G and the old star politicians that surround him
4. Babbling Bhattarai denounces China as an 'imperialist force' that has forgotten its communist roots.
5. Pushpa Kamal Dahal buys himself a pair of Ghandian glasses for his final push to persuade the world that he's a changed a man.
6. Oxford University Press publishes 'Pranchanda Path' with a Forward by Babbling Bhattarai which runs to more pages than the entire book itself.
7. Deuba becomes Prime Minister (again)
8. Koirala goes to Delhi for medical treatment (again)
9. Madhev Nepal denounces the political parties participating in the coming elections as 'undemocratic' and then he realises he is watching himself on TV way back in the day...

An insider also tells me that Paras is going to renounce his claim to the throne because he wants to be respected for his own achievements in life and not because of his heridatory claim to be head of the state. He claims that the last 35 years have been about coming to terms with 'who i am'.

I thought you might want to be the first to know, dear friends.

Mystic Dev

 
At 8:44 AM, March 20, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Classic!

Dev, you've done these lists before and they always catch the spirit of the issues.

Satire is what we need. Poking a little fun at ourselves helps us widen our perspective.

-=blogdai

 
At 10:46 AM, March 20, 2006, Blogger Dev Prasad said...

Thanks Blogdai,

I like to entertain but on a serious note I think that everyone who is unfamiliar with the Maoist military strategy ought to read the following aricle, 'Maoists forcibly recruiting soldiers.'

http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/mar/17nepal.htm

It only confirms what most of us already know but I would implore any one who visits this blog to defend the Maoists ought to consider this before they do so so.

Actually, I quite like the idea of starting a satirical blog on Nepal. I am suffering from what Sartre describes as 'nausea' and perhaps this is well suited to a satirical take on the politics of Nepal.

Dev Prasad

 
At 11:17 AM, March 20, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

One of the purposes of blogdai is to familiarize the unfamiliar with political and social doin's in Nepal. I got tired of lazy journalists just saying anything and having it interpereted by the West as holy writ.

Point is, I can't wait until the world knows so much about Nepal that we can actually satirize effectively. Right now, only a handful of us "get it" when you turn out your hillarious lists.

Who was that guy that churned out the political cartoons about Nepal and got some international media attention in the process?

-=blogdai

 
At 12:36 PM, March 20, 2006, Blogger bloghajurbah said...

Satire is what we need. Poking a little fun at ourselves helps us widen our perspective.

BD for humour you should view you're own actions in supressing opposing people ( eg. 234 ) . BD, you're actions are a joke and my respect for you is less now.

 
At 12:47 PM, March 20, 2006, Blogger bloghajurbah said...

We shouldn't behave like terrorists while fighting against terrorists.
Min Bahadur Pal , Zonal Administrator of Bheri zone.

The main problem is to find solutions to problems

 
At 3:44 PM, March 20, 2006, Anonymous g said...

I think I will stick to g. Thanks though blogdai. ; -).

I did read 234’s post but did not bother to post a comment on it. But I had a good mind to tell 234 to stop acting like a child. If you want to post your ideas as favor
Please keep it to yourself. But if you do want to share your ideas, then, just post it.
Don’t go around acting like a spoiled child.

Any ways, he used “incidentally” to much.  (sorry 234 but you did. One in each post I think.)

To tell you the truth, I really was hoping 234 would come up with some thought provoking ideas. And different from what we have been posting.

Well.

Dev. That was a good one. I think I got most of it except for the paras bit. Now was that a satire or a reality.

even then, i think satire and humor works better when trying to convince/explain someone/something.
even if doesn't, smile and/or laughter, good for health.

Bloghajurbah,
B,blogdai did what he thought was right. It is his blog and he has the 'right' to do it. I am not arguing if it was right or wrong.

Now 234. what is he so pissed off. If he was matured enough he would have just posted his thoughts. Who lost because of his stubbornness? If it was a good idea we all did. If it was as immature as the way he acted, no one.

I have been reading this blog for a long time even though it has just been a month or two since I started posting. I found this blog accidentally, read it lightly at first. And I was impressed with the quality and intellectual posts. This was when there was communication blackout in Nepal after the coop as you might say.

I would hate to see the quality of this blog degraded. And there will just be one person to take most of the blame for it. And it is him who has to take the responsibility of maintaining the blog.

Another big word for nepalese, RESPONSIBILITY.

--g

 
At 4:39 PM, March 20, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

No worries, Haj, if you would have seen 234's subsequent posts you may have done the same. It's not that they were hateful, it's just that we've spent so much time getting people up to speed on the fundamentals that our top-tier posters often get too frustrated to wade through the clutter. It is a quality issue like g. points out.

I think the Paras bit had a "hell has officially frozen over" subtext to it. We won't demean Dev's craft here by asking for clarification, however. ha!

-=blogdai

 
At 4:45 PM, March 20, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

And may I say that I am happy and pleased by the level of discourse we've all worked hard to maintain here.

G., Haj, C.K.,Vladimir (sober or drunk) and a few masterful anons have been providing excellent counterpoint. Thanks for keeping the "blogdai is a royalist" wolves at bay.

-=BD

 
At 3:56 AM, March 21, 2006, Anonymous 2:34 said...

I know I said I wouldn't bother responding but I wanted to address the following points:

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But I had a good mind to tell 234 to stop acting like a child. If you want to post your ideas as favor Please keep it to yourself. But if you do want to share your ideas, then, just post it.

You don't get it, do you? Why should I bother posting my ideas here when blogdai is actively censoring my posts and attempting to label me when I haven't even posted my views? If you want to hear what I have to say, let me say it all uncensored and let the comments stand or fall by the strength or weakness of their arguments and not because they demonstrate that the blog owner is wrong.

Any ways, he used “incidentally” to much.
I used it twice, is that really too much?

Now 234. what is he so pissed off. If he was matured enough he would have just posted his thoughts. Who lost because of his stubbornness? If it was a good idea we all did. If it was as immature as the way he acted, no one.
Pissed off? Not all. I'm arguing the principle. As I said before, if you want to hear what I have to say, let me say it all uncensored and let the comments stand or fall by the strength or weakness of their arguments and not because they demonstrate that the blog owner is, on this occassion, wrong.

No worries, Haj, if you would have seen 234's subsequent posts you may have done the same.
Why not let bloghajurbah see for himself? Anyone is welcome to email me to read the deleted posts: quaifsansu@kriocoucke.mailexpire.com

 
At 5:29 AM, March 21, 2006, Blogger bloghajurbah said...

2:34 you are correct. I send you a email .

 
At 6:20 AM, March 21, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of torture....

Tortured at Police HQ, Arrested at Media House

In a bizarre case, policemen arrested a justice-seeking policeman from the library of Kantipur Publications

At around 4:00pm, police sub-inspector Hum Bahadur Bagale entered Kantipur Publications office in an appearance that would have forced many to take him as a mad man. Half of his hair was shaved and his police shirt and trousers muddy.

Reporters from Kantipur and The Kathmandu Post daily talked with him after he claimed that he had been badly tortured after being dismissed from service accusing him of false charges. He sounded true with the appearance.

He asked for justice and told the repoters that he was beaten and dipped into the pond at the police headquarters after being handed over the letter of dismissal (I read the copy of it and it accused him of robbing 27-tola gold). It said he would not be eligible to hold any government post in future.

The interview was disrupted as a group of policemen entered the premises of the publication looking for him and dragged him out of the library into a police van and took him away. Kantipur Television camera has filmed all this. The taxi driver, who brought him to the publications office from Naxal where the headquarters is situated, is being waited by two policemen outside the office.

United We Blog

 
At 6:31 AM, March 21, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Now was that so bad? That was a reasonable defense of your position.

Congratulations. You are now on the long road to making sense.

So, now to your "issues."

1. Try with some clarity to explain why you think I advocate, justify, or otherwise support torture.

2. Why your mass postings and repetitive condemnations are not an example of "bullying."

3. Why you don't consider the withholding of an answer to g's question until you get your rants published to be "blackmail,"

4. And for God's sake can you ANSWER G'S QUESTION?

It's a bit slow today, and also bloghaj seems to like you so if you play nice, we'll give you blog amnesty. But a few tips:

Further the discussion. Don't just blindly accuse. You will waste everyone's time. Good strong ideas, positive or negative always get an airing here. Take a breath and see if you can do this.

Good luck

-=blogdai

 
At 6:40 AM, March 21, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Sounds like another drunken cop brutality issue.

The plain blue-clad municipal cops are not only corrupt, but monumentally ineffective.

The only time they get their man is when its one of their own.

-=blogdai

 
At 3:27 PM, March 21, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

(delete) this is the third time I've deleted 234's multiple posting.

I have an auto notification on blogdai and can delete immediately, ok?

I love people who vehemently disagree with me, but here's another tip: HAVE A POINT! I've left enough of your comments untouched for you to see what the minimum requirements are for not being deleted.

I am under no obligation to post, retain or respond to the bitter rantings of a spoiled child, so if you can do nothing but accuse and label in all directions, stay off this blog.

Tell you what, you can tell all you want to Haj privately and then Haj can post what Haj sees fit to post here, ok? Haj is smart and has earned the right to criticise. You have not and will be deleted.

Grow up.

-=blogdai

 
At 11:19 PM, March 21, 2006, Anonymous g said...

234
if you think your ideas are worth reading and might make a difference to the way some of us think then post it.

atleast i want to hear your thoughts. and what i know of the people that post here, i think they do too.

i think i said everything i wanted to say in the last post.

and if its not the answer to my last queries, about alternatives to RNA methods of business, please dont bother to answer my request.

me again,
g

 
At 11:52 PM, March 21, 2006, Anonymous g said...

i would like to take my last post back.

"But I had a good mind to tell 234 to stop acting like a child. If you want to post your ideas as favor Please keep it to yourself. But if you do want to share your ideas, then, just post it.

You don't get it, do you? Why should I bother posting my ideas here when blogdai is actively censoring my posts and attempting to label me when I haven't even posted my views?."

i completely forgot about his last post.

still if you want to 234, ideas are welcome. and please dont worry somuch about principles. that will make us all nepalese feel ashamed.
WE RATHER DONT PROFFESS PRINCIPLES.
==g

 
At 2:48 AM, March 22, 2006, Blogger bloghajurbah said...

I have receive 234s emails yesterday and today . I'm sorry , angry and upset BD has react negative to 234 .

BD has mis-represent 234 and his views clearly and certainly. Why BD ? How many other people d oyou delete entries of ?

From today I boycot BD and tell other friends to boycot BD.

234 is starting own blog. Email for infos.

 
At 3:30 AM, March 22, 2006, Anonymous 2:34 said...

Thanks for your post bloghajurbah.
I just want to clarify that I did not (a) suggest anyone boycott this blog, that is an individual decision made by bloghajurbah; and (b) I am NOT starting my own blog, I suggested to bloghajurbah someone should start their own if others felt their views on censoring/deleting posts were similar to mine.

Finally, I am intrigued to see blogdai using my own arguments (which he has deleted) against me, namely his right to delete whatever he wants and his labeling of me and my opinion when I have yet to post on anything other than torture and censorship on this blog.

 
At 9:41 AM, March 22, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Well, good luck, Haj, sorry to lose your comments and insight. I hope you find what you're looking for. You will be missed here at blogdai.

But you've given me an idea. From today forward I will store all deleted comments in a file and compile them into a periodic column. Perhaps call it "deleted follies" or "theater of the inane."

What do you think?

-=blogdai

 
At 9:48 AM, March 22, 2006, Anonymous 2:34 said...

I can help you with the first one Blogdai, I have all my previous saved right here. I'll happily post them if you don't try to edit them down and present them as bullying, blackmail or "7-party"...

 
At 10:03 AM, March 22, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Still bargaining. You just don't get it do you?

-=blogdai

 
At 7:37 AM, March 23, 2006, Anonymous 2:34 said...

Dance monkey, dance!

 
At 8:54 AM, March 23, 2006, Anonymous 2:34 said...

In fact, all of you monkeys can dance--I have the right to post whatever I want and I demand to be heard.

If anyone has a problem with that, including that monkey blogdai, you can hear my ideas directly at quaifsansu@kriocoucke.mailexpire.com None of you are worth the effort otherwise.

 
At 2:04 PM, March 23, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

TO OUR READERS: 234 IS ATTEMPTING TO HIJACK OUR BLOG. HE IS POSTING UNDER THE NAME OF BLOGDAI. YOU WILL KNOW HIS POSTINGS IN ONE OF TWO WAYS:

--THEY DON'T SOUND LIKE BLOGDAI BECAUSE THEY ARE DISRUPTIVE AND CRUDE.

--THEY ARE QUICKLY DELETED.

BLOGHAJ, LOOKS LIKE YOU BACKED THE WRONG PONY ON THIS ONE. 234 IS ABSOLUTELY NUTS.

WE AT BLOGDAI REGRET THIS TEMPORARY INCONVENIENCE. THE STAFF AT BLOGSPOT.COM IS WORKING ON THIS PROBLEM AND SHOULD HAVE IT RESOLVED SHORTLY.

IN THE MEANTIME I WILL ADD NEPALI WORDS AND SEQUENCES THAT OUR READERS WILL UNDERSTAND SO YOU ALL WILL KNOW IT'S ME. KEGARNE?

-=BLOGDAI

 
At 2:48 PM, March 23, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

You know, I can keep this up forever with auto delete.

better yet, keep posting. We need a few more message ID's to get you.

wouldn't you be better off going back to Samudaya?

You've yet to provide anything less than evidence that you are a spoiled brat. Now, how are we supposed to listen to your politics? Even now, if you just make a valid argument, just one! you would be welcomed with some support and really good debate.

Come on now. Come in from the cold. We'll nurture you and give good support to your views. What future would you like to see for Nepal? I'm curious to hear your ideas. All that anger, all that venom, all that vindictiveness, surely we can help you channel that into something positive. You can find some peace and rest here, but you've got to take that tough first step.

-=blogdai





-=blogdai

 
At 2:55 PM, March 23, 2006, Anonymous 2:34 said...

wouldn't you be better off going back to Samudaya?
Believe it or not but I've never heard of Samudaya. You got a link?

Come on now. Come in from the cold.Do me a favor and get rid of the 8:54am post (which I did not post) and I'll quit.

All that anger, all that venom, all that vindictiveness, surely we can help you channel that into something positive. You can find some peace and rest here, but you've got to take that tough first step.No anger here, just a lot of vodka. I'd pour you one, but yo mailo vodka ho...

 
At 3:18 PM, March 23, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

You did not post 8:54.

You also did not tell bloghaj to boycott this blog.

You also couldn't help you browser from making repetitive posts.

You also feel the need to make impish postings under my name.

What am I to believe from you?

If you didn't post it, I can tell you that you don't have many fans here and on a blog anything can happen. Although fake postings are in no way condoned, we cannot tell who is who, except when I delete yours falsley posted under my name. The language and timing of 8:54 is consistent with the name calling I've experienced here, so why should I doubt it's you? You've also got one of those temporary mailexpire.com "alias" addresses, so what's your game here?

Look, I really don't care if you quit or not; we've got administrators working this blog constantly. In fact, I've asked blogger.com to flag our site and now we are being monitored. They'd love to have you post some more.

Here's a better idea: Drop the 234 sheild, start over as an anonymous poster, and make some real good arguments. Wipe the slate clean, no harm, no foul.

If you can back up what you say, positive or negative, drop the name-calling and profanity and handle good criticism of your points from our readers, I will be the first one in your corner defending you. Deal?

-=blogdai

 
At 3:40 PM, March 23, 2006, Anonymous 2:34 said...

Love it blogdai. Mix up some truths with a few pieces of rubbish, why don't you. 8:54 ain't me.

I'd offer some insight but it'd be wasted on a self-aggrandizing individual like yourself. Although if you're lucky I might just post the ideas bloghajurbah and I have sending back and forth over the last couple of days. He's quite an amiable guy but very conservative when it comes to Nepal. Must have something to do with him being from Beni...lol

Seems your bullying and blackmailing of me has worked. I'll go now. Kahá? I don't know...

 
At 7:36 PM, March 23, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

fine, I'll just let you run with it for a while. In fact, go ahead and post whatever you want, the floor is yours, ok?

I offer you an olive branch and you take it as a threat. Is it no wonder you've been deleted so often here?

Is it also impossible for you to not see a slight in every comment? A big victory for you would be to move forward. What have we learned here? Can you show me? Is there anything that doesn't antagonize you?

I'm glad bloghaj and you get along. He shares many of your opinions, I'm sure. However, he tries to communicate. He plays the game. I seldom agree with him but his ideas are presented thoughtfully and with respect for other posters. For that reason, he is always welcome here.

Will there ever come a time when I can say the same about you?

-=blogdai

 
At 7:52 PM, March 23, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

You know, you keep threatening to leave, but you never do. Look at this thread now. I'm forced to deal with you and all of our other posters have stepped aside. Is this what you want?

Antagonism is de-facto censorship and you are practicing it at the expense of our discussion and to the agony of our great readers and posters. You've shut down a good discussion involving a lot of smart people because you feel I've shut you down in some way. Happy?

This blog works because we all play nice. Sure I'm rough with drive-by's and underachievers but it's only to try to prod them into deeper and more insightful thought.

What kind of freedom is it for our other posters when you demand to be heard above all others and then deliver no content? Our readers want an environment that's intellectually challenging yet not aggressive and biased. If I delete you it's because you haven't met these parameters.

Ask yourself: what have I posted here? You were challenged on you assumptions and rather than offering sound arguments in your defense, you went ballistic. You have not made one supportable argument. Jeez, just answering g's question seemed to be a monumental task for you.

I am absolutely tired of your insipid, spoiled drivel. Unless you can come up with something substantial, either while forging my name or whoever, I'm going to instruct our staff to permanently ban you.

You are done here, deal with it.

Is that clear enough?

-=BLOGDAI

 
At 7:55 PM, March 23, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no idea what's goin on here. But this 234 guy seems like a pain in the ass.

Mr. BD has put out a lot of good stuff this past year. I don't understand what the problem is. It is a BLOG goddamit! People say and cut out whatever they want. Like BD says, deal with it....

 
At 8:03 PM, March 23, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

You know what? A person who can forge my name on a blog is smart enough to keep his browser from repetitive postings, don't you think?

Plus, I never mentioned that Samudaya was a website so why ask for the link?

You are a big phony but please keep posting. I've almost got you.

Want more?

-=blogdai

 
At 8:05 PM, March 23, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Blogdai here, the real one. I'm waiting....

 
At 8:10 PM, March 23, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

TO OUR READERS:

TAKE A LITTLE BREAK. COME BACK IN A FEW DAYS. QUITE OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE DEALING WITH A FEW ISSUES HERE.

I WILL HAVE OUR BLOG CLEANED AND BACK TO NORMAL SHORTLY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE.

I'm dealing with a blog Maoist. Someone with a singular, destructive agenda. Rest assured I will not be bringing him to the negotiating table.

-=BD

 
At 8:24 PM, March 23, 2006, Blogger blogdai said...

Well, 234, a lot has just been said about you. Is it making your blood boil? Don't you just want to post something nasty that lets me know how you really feel?

come on, it's not so hard. I must really have a personal need to discredit you, don't you think?

Now's your chance to get even, what's keeping you?

-=BD

 
At 8:26 PM, March 23, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This 234 chicken chit makune kukur dalit got no f**ckin balls hes no nepali that is sure.

 
At 7:18 AM, March 24, 2006, Blogger bloghajurbah said...

BD please do not blame me for trouble with 234.

Also I want confirm Boycot Of Blogdai ( B.O.B. )is my idea. I have started another blog, Boycot Of Blogdai ( B.O.B. )

 
At 11:22 AM, March 24, 2006, Anonymous Brit said...

Those of you who don't like this blog - stop boring the pants off the rest of us and go and chat somewhere else - Grandad has given you an alternative (I assume - I have not sufficient interest to try it out for myself)

 
At 11:55 AM, March 27, 2006, Blogger 2:34 said...

Hi blogdai.

 
At 10:09 PM, March 27, 2006, Anonymous g said...

hi 234
got anything to post?
--g

 

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